The thing with suicide is that there's always at least a second person. If you do it the assisted way, you do it with people trained and willing to do it to help you. If you do it the old fashioned way, you traumatize the person that ends up finding you in whichever place you decided to do it. And then there's an ambulance or some other service that comes to pick up the body, etc.

Assisted suicide is better for everyone involved. There's no question about it. As others have said. There's no reason why we see euthanasia as humane but not assisted suicide. It's the same. Even more humane because the human can consent, the pet can't.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Those are all arguments for why assisted suicide is preferable to non-assisted suicide. They are not arguments for why assisted suicide isn't suicide.

If someone wants to say, "I think people who want to commit suicide should have a legal pathway to commit suicide," they're entitled to their views. But if they say, "I think that assisted suicide isn't a form of suicide" then they're lying, both to themselves and others, and I think it's interesting to pursue why they feel the need to do.

[–] nyctre@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You're the only one arguing that it's not. It's in the name that everyone agrees with. "assisted suicide". Yes, it's suicide, we're all agreeing on that. And ofc having a legal alternative is preferable because as we've established, it's better for everyone if it's done this way.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If you read anything that I've said in response to this comment, you'd see that not everyone is willing to admit it's suicide and that's literally the only point I've taken issue with.

[–] nyctre@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ok, sure.

"Suicide isn't "awesome," and "good on her for sticking it out" in the context of suicide would pass as ironic edgelord humor 20 years ago on 4chan.

It's terrifying that the exact same action, when done in a way that's "clean" and legal makes people say things like that that presumably nobody would say otherwise. Setting up a legal pathway for suicide doesn't change what it is."

Yeah, the admitting it's suicide is the only thing you have an issue with. Nah, you have an issue with all of it, you just wanna argue your way around it. Anyway, have a nice day.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago

I have an issue with all of it, sure, but the only thing I've actually challenged, in response to this comment, is someone saying that assisted suicide isn't suicide.