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[–] Baku@aussie.zone 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

20/50, about average for me :/

Also to be fair! I did the math! I just did it in the wrong order and got 24

[–] StudChud@aussie.zone 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I had to remember the order of operations, managed the correct answer after a shameful number of minutes 😬 BEDMAS helps

[–] Baku@aussie.zone 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I really hate that that's even a thing. Logically, my brain wants to do it in the order that it's shown in. Doing it any other way just feels unnatural. Like building a roof before building the house

[–] Thornburywitch@aussie.zone 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Helps to isolate the problem by putting brackets round anything that you KNOW needs to be done separately.

[–] Baku@aussie.zone 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't help much if I don't KNOW what needs to be done separately.

[–] Gibsonisafluffybutt@aussie.zone 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

PEMDAS

parenthesis, exponents, multiplication, division, addition, subtraction.

That's how I remember it.

[–] RustyRaven@aussie.zone 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I learned BOMDAS

brackets, of, multiplication, division, addition, subtraction

The next year I learned BODMAS instead, which was initially confusing but introduced the idea that the exact order can be a bit variable, as long as you do the multiplication/division bits first.

[–] Gibsonisafluffybutt@aussie.zone 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

See, I learned Bomdas first, then was informed it was wrong and to use PEMDAS. I have no idea which one is the correct one anymore.

[–] RustyRaven@aussie.zone 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

They are all basically the same thing. Brackets (aka parenthesis) are done first - that's basically the entire point of brackets. Then you do all the multiplication stuff, which includes division (which is just multiplication in reverse), fractions (which are another way of writing division) and exponentials (which are a shorthand for multiplication of a number by itself). Then you do all the addition/subtraction stuff. Within those three groups it doesn't really matter which ones you do first.

It helps to think of it in terms of something concrete - biscuits are good. Multiplication type maths is dealing with packets, addition is like individual biscuits. So if you have 3 packets containing 12 tim tams, plus 5 tim tams, to work out how many you need to work out how many in packets first, then add the individual biscuits - so 3 x 12 + 5, equals 36+5. When you look at it that way it becomes fairly clear that adding your pack of 12 to 5 individual biscuits and then mulitplying that by the 3 packs just doesn't make sense.

[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 1 points 6 months ago

Within those three groups it doesn’t really matter which ones you do first

It absolutely does matter. You must do exponents after brackets and before multiplication and division, for the precise reason you said that exponents are shorthand for multiplication. In other words, there's 4 groups, not three.

[–] Baku@aussie.zone 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

And this is why I use a calculator

[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 1 points 6 months ago

Just make sure you don't use an e-calculator, nor a Texas Instruments calculator.

[–] RustyRaven@aussie.zone 1 points 6 months ago

But if you use biscuits once you get to the last bit and do the subtraction it all becomes worthwhile. If I have three packets of 12 tim tams and eat four tim tams what do I have? I have four tim tams in my tummy. Best maths ever.

[–] Baku@aussie.zone 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I vaguely remember BIDMAS, but my brain wasn't braining that day, so I don't really remember it

Edit: I also remember asking my workers about it when I got home (although I also remember getting it confused and asking them if they learnt "BIMBAS", and one of them said they got BEDMAS, I think the other got PEDMAS

[–] RustyRaven@aussie.zone 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I had the order of operations with no problems, but somehow managed to calculate 18-12 = 4 which really messed me up.

I am good at maths in theory, but tend to muddle up calculations in my head. I really need to be able to pin the numbers down on paper, in my head it's like they wriggle around on me.

[–] Catfish@aussie.zone 3 points 6 months ago

Similar with spelling for me. Can’t do it out loud without at least air writing it with a finger, and paper is better. Odd mental blank spot.