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[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago (3 children)

He's apparently an idiot, since every time Democrats haven't won, the entire country has been dragged right.

Immigration is an interesting example of this. Funny enough, when Democrats were in power, policy trended further and further left with amnesty for dreamers and accepting refugees. After losing in 2016, the Democrat position has moved towards stronger enforcement and border security.

If Lawrence has not changed his mind since then, he's a giant fucking idiot who doesn't see reality. The problem with not voting for Democrats is that it means Republicans win, and they have a habit of moving all issues to the right.

You want the party to move left? Elect more progressives. Understand why voters are picking moderates over progressives in primaries, and course correct. It isn't dark money, because there's been plenty of that thrown around, and fake progressives have had more on hand versus their primary opponents.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah. It's a big shame. I read Lawrence O'Donnell's book about 1968. It's so fucking sad. I couldn't finish.

And then, even with all the justification all the progressives had for quitting from the political system -- basically on par with if the US was directly sending 19-year-old US citizens over to Gaza and having them blow up hospitals and get their balls shot off, or if Biden himself were approving of the brutalizing of protestors, like sending them to the hospital with nightstick fractures and covered in blood, not "just" pepper spraying them and putting cuffs on them -- I feel like you can draw this absolutely direct line from 1968 and the disillusionment that stemmed from it into the grim nightmare politics that took over in America, because only the assholes were still voting, from Nixon to Reagan to Clinton until now we have just a wreckage of a system that someone from the 60s wouldn't even recognize.

Basically I feel like 2016 was a repetition of that same betrayal, and I'm really hoping that 2024 isn't a repetition of the same fascist takeover that's enabled by it, because now we're much much closer to the edge. Daniel Ellsberg said that all the things Nixon did to him that formed one piece of his collapse and fall when they came to light, they're all legal now.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

I think something we often forget is that people can have spot on analysis and very intellectual takes in the past, but it doesn't necessarily mean their modern takes are also good. Sometimes that's an inherent thing too because of changing times. People who criticized US actions in the cold war were likely right -- but a lot of them have adopted the imperialist position today that Ukraine belongs to Russia and it should be a pawn between NATO and Russia, instead of a self sovereign country that makes its own decisions.

Makes you wonder a bit how things will develop in the future, but I digress.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

He's apparently an idiot, since every time Democrats haven't won, the entire country has been dragged right.

Hey, don't bring history and facts into this, you're gonna scare ozma!