Gasoline vehicles also don't tend to catch fire spontaneously while parked. That risk exists with every unattended lithium-ion battery undergoing recharging. People technically shouldn't be plugging their phones in at night and then going to sleep, but everyone does it anyway.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Doesn't matter much for phones, but when talking EV charging... Night electricity tends to be cheaper when it's not solar energy season.

[–] dustojnikhummer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can't wait for miles of 240V extension cords when EU makes even used non EVs illegal. Yes, millions of city dwellers in apartments totally have a garage to charge in.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There will be solutions by 2050 (the proposed timeframe for having a zero-emissions fleet). For an example, vehicles with combustion engines can still be newly registered after 2035 if they use only CO2-neutral fuels. I think EU would rather ban sale of fossil fuels than ban used cars that can technically burn fossil fuels. If only plant-based fuels are available, it doesn't matter what the cars can technically burn.

The German big 3 are already developing cars that would only run on non-fossil fuels I believe.

Secondly, chargers near apartment buildings and on sidewalks can be added. We have plenty of time.

And I'm sure Germany will water down the regulations even more so in the end, I'm fairly sure they'll consider new MHEVs fine after 2035.

And finally, those who can't charge at home will do so at the charging stations. It's not a huge issue if you have a battery with 500+ km of range. Might be an issue for i-miev and first gen Leaf owners though.

[–] dustojnikhummer@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unless we get mass producable, cheap fuel like CHOOH2, "cars can use co2 neutral fuels" is translation to "in reality no ICE cars for the mass population"

Secondly, chargers near apartment buildings and on sidewalks can be added. We have plenty of time.

And who will pay for those? My town can barely get enough money to maintain street lights, who will install and maintain the charging infrastructure on streets where it will inevitably get destroyed?

And finally, those who can’t charge at home will do so at the charging stations.

Oh yes, so now instead of 15 minute wait at a gas station I will only have to wait 2 hours before a space is available and then 30 minutes to charge, all while thinking "how much is this quick charge degrading my battery"

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's 27 years to go till EU's predicted (not required by law) end of ICE cars. There's time to invest, time to innovate and hopefully time for your town to reduce crime and gain more resources.

Also HVO is pretty affordable nowadays. Maybe 20% more than regular diesel fuel at most. It is claimed to be carbon neutral. I'm sure something similar will be developed for otto cycle engines.

Also unless you're planning to use a first gen leaf past the 2050s, quick charging isn't very bad. All modern EVs have battery cooling and will also throttle charging when the temperature rises. The don't full on go 350kW for 20 minutes straight.

Waiting 2 hours is solved by installing more chargers. Clearly a regional issue with fuel pumps as well because I never have to wait over 2-3 minutes.

[–] dustojnikhummer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

27? Last time I checked 2025 is 2 years away and 2035 is 12 years away.

crime What crime?

Waiting 2 hours is solved by installing more chargers

Again, how will a town of 25k people that can barely maintain street lights and roads be able to afford 15 thousand chargers?

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

27? Last time I checked 2025 is 2 years away and 2035 is 12 years away.

It's EU's prediction for when the last ICE cars will be off the road, which was the initial point made - when USED ICE cars are gone.

What crime?

Ia destroying public or private property not a crime over there? You said they were definitely going to be destroyed, I'm assuming you have a high crime rate there.

25k people, 15k chargers

Takes my town of 90k, fewer than 100 fuel pumps to have a nonexistent wait time. Do you think everyone in your town will pick the exact same day and hour to go to the fast charger?

[–] dustojnikhummer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s EU’s prediction for when the last ICE cars will be off the road, which was the initial point made - when USED ICE cars are gone. Because of fuel or bans?

Ia destroying public or private property not a crime over there? You said they were definitely going to be destroyed, I’m assuming you have a high crime rate there.

I'm Czech. The problem is with a certain group and in todays political climate is unsolvable.

Takes my town of 90k, fewer than 100 fuel pumps to have a nonexistent wait time

Yes, exactly. You need just a few gas stations

Do you think everyone in your town will pick the exact same day and hour to go to the fast charger?

After work? Yes. Again, can't wait for those extension cables hanging from my building's 7th floor

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Every day after work? There are 7 days in a week and you don't even need to charge every week.

Also why would you drag extension cords? You should get the building board to install chargers properly. If you own your apartment, you have a vote on the board, no? And if you rent, you bug your landlord to bring it up. They'll hopefully realize it adds value even after you're gone.

This all sounds like a lack of political will on the part of the citizens. This changes quickly once people realize they NEED to charge their cars.

[–] dustojnikhummer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Every day after work? There are 7 days in a week and you don’t even need to charge every week.

So we rationing power like it's a war?

You should get the building board to install chargers properly

Oh yes, because they will totally agree to spend money on public infrastructure. Or you think our apartment buildings have reserved parking? Man, what world do you live in? Certainly not a real one

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So we rationing power like it’s a war?

We're already doing that with fuel. Do you fill up every single day after work? No, because what absolute psycho does that unless they literally drain their entire tank daily?

Or you think our apartment buildings have reserved parking? Man, what world do you live in? Certainly not a real one

Nearly all apartment buildings have parking in my country, unless you're living in a bigger city's center. If all you have is street-side parking, it sounds like your town isn't meant for car ownership and you should take public transit or move to a town meant for car owners. You can't have everything at once sadly. In a town of 25k people and no space wasted on parking spots, it can't be more than 5 minutes to get anywhere by electric scooter though? Maybe get one of those for your commute and you'll only need to charge your EV once a month.

[–] dustojnikhummer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

We’re already doing that with fuel. Do you fill up every single day after work? No, because what absolute psycho does that unless they literally drain their entire tank daily?

I didn't notice government telling me when I do need to fill up or not. And I do top up about twice a week, because the cheapest gas station in my city is right on my way home, so might as well top up those few liters while prices are low.

Nearly all apartment buildings have parking in my country, unless you’re living in a bigger city’s center.

And they are owned by the apartment building HOAs or by the city?

If all you have is street-side parking, it sounds like your town isn’t meant for car ownership

Thanks, I will make sure to tell the communist planners to include 4x as much parking next time I go back in time to the 1970s

Maybe get one of those for your commute

Can't exactly transport lot of stuff on an ebike, can I? My backpack barely fits in my basket.

[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Please don't put lithium in water; that will make it worse.

[–] dustojnikhummer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Tell that to firefighters.