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Pedophiles don't deserve rights (lemmy.world)

submitted 6 months ago by Bezzelbob@lemmy.world to c/controversial@sh.itjust.works

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Not all humans inherently deserve rights just because they are human. Think of people like Hiter, Jeffrey Dahmer, and the dozens of other evil people. No one would reasonably think they deserve sympathy, because of what they chose to do.

If your evil enough to commit such a heinous act as child rape, I don't see any legitimate reason why that person should deserve any sort of sympathy.

Subconsciously everyone agrees on this to some extent. Look at prisons, (depending on the crime) they remove your right to vote, own a gun, even walk outside, and have certain jobs.

The reason I believed my take is controversial is because of how I think those pedos would lose their rights. I believe people as evil as them aren't people at all. They are simply containers of flesh with a human face, and should be seen as such. I have no issue with the idea they should be used as slaves and test subjects. Arguably this would actually benefit humanity (especially in terms of medicine) because now instead of risking the lives of innocent people like doctors or everyday Joe's, we could use them to see if the experimental drug has any side effects. Honestly, what are they going to do? Revoke consent? I wonder of the child they raped got that same privilege...

I'm sure this goes without saying but the person would have to be caught red-handed with undeniable proof to be subjected to this

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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No. There's where you're wrong.

Pedophile is a state of existence, much like gay. It's a sexual attraction NOT an action. A pedophile doesn't choose to be sexually attracted to children, any more than a gay person chooses to be gay. (The obvious difference is that gay people that are adults can consent; there can be no moral, ethical, or legal relationship with a child.)

What you're looking for a child molester. Not all pedophiles are child molesters. Not all people that molest children at pedophiles; many are likely not, but are simply opportunistic sexual predators attacking the most vulnerable population.

Beyond that, 100+ years of psychology research has demonstrated that punishment is a very poor deterrent to behaviour. If you want to change the way people act, then you need to reform behaviour, rather than punishing it. But it's clear that you don't care about actually solving the problem, you just want revenge.

[–] Bezzelbob@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What you're looking for a child molester.

Ill give you that one, I was specifically mentioning child molesters and rapist. Albeit most people use the 2 interchangeably

but are simply opportunistic sexual predators attacking the most vulnerable population.

This furthers my reason for having no sympathy for them. They are such animals that they only think about themselves, and will happily look the other direction when someone gets hurt directly because of them. So why should I care when they get hurt because of their own selfish actions?

I want to quote you for a second "Pedophile is a state of existence, much like gay. It's a sexual attraction NOT an action. A pedophile doesn't choose to be sexually attracted to children, any more than a gay person chooses to be gay" so you said yourself these people can not be changed. They are born like this and will always be like this. You said it yourself, there literally is no change for them. Sure therapy can help them BEFORE they act. But after the damage is done it's clear that help won't stop them.

you just want revenge

How is this a problem exactly? Do you not think people (especially child rapists) should be punished for their crimes? Because that's a type of revenge. The fact is while punishment my not be the best at reform, you've already made it clear these people are born this way, and there is no reform for them. If the people who are attracted to children get help BEFORE they act and harm an innocent person then that's a different story, they understand they have a problem and are working to fix it. But someone who rapes a child doesn't have this same mindset and understanding. They are selfish psychopaths with no care except themselves and would likely do it again since nothing morally stopped them the first time.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

Do you not think people (especially child rapists) should be punished for their crimes?

No, I don't. Punishment doesn't change behaviour. I think that when people offend against other people, they should be required to do what they can to make things right, and they should change how they act in the future. In many cases--not just talking about child sexual assualt--'making things right' means monetary damages, but it could also be, for instance, community service. Changing behaviour for the future requires things like therapy, and requires buy-in from the offender. That is, the person that's committed the offense has to want to change. Punishing people doesn't do any of that; in fact, it's more likely to harden people so that they're more resistant to change than they would be otherwise.

you’ve already made it clear these people are born this way, and there is no reform for them.

No, that isn't what I said at all. You can't make a gay person straight, that's absolutely true. On the other hand, you can moderate behaviour. Intensive therapy is pretty good at that, as long as a person is willing to change

How is this a problem exactly?

Because it's counter-productive. It actively makes reform more difficult, and is more costly. And what happens when the conviction is wrong? What happens when the victim has a faulty memory, and the tech in the lab has been falsifying evidence?

They are selfish psychopaths with no care except themselves and would likely do it again since nothing morally stopped them the first time.

Okay, so what's your cutoff point? We know, with near absolute certainty, that increased speeds in cars are directly linked to both probability and severity of accidents. So isn't it entirely reasonable to say that a person that's speeding has demonstrated that they're a selfish psychopath with no regard for anyone other than their own desires and conveniences, and that, since they weren't morally stopped by laws in the past, that they deserve no civil rights moving forwards? After all, they're acting with reckless indifference to the well-being of others, and the fact that they haven't harmed someone else yet, doesn't mean that they haven't demonstrated a willingness to do so in order to get to their destination just a little faster.