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The article suggests that the issues occur most in private detention centers, and argues that ill detainees should be relocated to healthcare facilities. Private detention centers most certainly should be abolished, and not just for ICE detainees.
The article also states they have been 10 deaths in FY 2024 according to ICE.gov, however the website only shows 6. I’m guessing the website is not updated, but the article only identifies two deaths since January, making the total 8. I haven’t found information on the other two deaths reported elsewhere.
Here are the number of deaths by fiscal year from ICE.gov:
FY 2024 - 6 (10 reported by NBC)
FY 2023 - 4
FY 2022 - 3
FY 2021 - 5
FY 2020 - 21
FY 2019 - 8
FY 2018 - 6
www.ice.gov/detain/detainee-death-reporting
Thank you for posting the actual numbers. This article is pretty shitty imo. I read it just to see if they even included them (I guess, to their credit, at least they did that).
4,3,5 and 10(even though the govt is reporting 6) over the last 4 years.
So even assuming 10 is correct, using the "more than doubled" almost seems like journalistic malpractice. At best it's click-bait garbage. Where was the "ICE sees 25% drop in in-custody deaths" article a few years ago?
Should we watch it to see if it's a broader trend? Yea, probably. Is this necessarily indicative of anything nefarious? No.
There could be (and likely are) legitimate reasons for the increase that have nothing to do with "ICE bad". Like maybe, people coming in already sick, maybe an older demographic, unvaccinated people, etc etc. or literally just random fucking chance.
Why are we keeping them in such poor conditions if they're already sick? Why aren't they in hospitals?
"in custody deaths" means deaths while under the supervision of ICE. That could be detained at an ICE facility or in a hospital "while being detained".
If you got arrested by your local police for something and were in jail, but got sick so they send you to the hospital (with a cop escort usually)...then you died there. That counts as "in custody".
So don't conflate in-custody with "not being sent to hospitals".
Oh I'm not conflating anything. Between the immigration advocates and the government agency caught committing human rights abuses I'm going to believe the immigration advocates. They don't send them to hospitals.
The article states there are on-site medical practitioners and facilities. I think they’re suggesting there’s no practice in place if a detainee needs advanced medical care.
A national guard army medic with their go pack is not adequate facilities.
Again, it’s about them not having access to advanced medical care. If a detainee needs an MRI, CT, colonoscopy, etc. there is no practice in place for relocation to a medical facility.
And I'm saying the guys known for spraying detainees with so much pesticide they were bleeding from their orifices aren't going to tell you they don't give anyone any actual medical care. They have an army medic that gets 5 minutes to look at them through the bars. And that's only when they get one assigned to them.
Do you have a source? I haven’t seen anything like that and I’d like to read more about it.
Here's an article about their use of pesticide.
Here's an article about the medical care conditions.
Of note, "take Motrin and drink water", is a bit of dark humor you find in the Army because care can be hard to access in the field and the mission often takes priority. It's not supposed to be actual medical advice.
Biden should be shutting these places down. Instead he's about to feed them even more people.
That’s horrific.
The atrocity below unsurprisingly happened under Trump’s Title 42 criminal oppression.
So we can add forced sterilization to the list of horrors like physically and sexually abusing hundreds of children. The only thing more insane than Trump enacting it, was the Supreme Court blocking Biden’s attempt to end it.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/27/supreme-court-blocks-lifting-of-title-42-border-policy-00075650
The thing is, that system hasn't been reformed. Nobody got fired, no contracts got cancelled. This is also the day to day under Biden, just with a little less pesticide.
He terminated contracts with detention centers and ICE departments that have problematic track records, as well as discharged problem employees, upon entering office. He then tried to repeal Title 42, and was stalled by SCOTUS. After that, his open border policy needed little detention. Only now that he’s detaining at the request of sanctuary cities are these numbers rising again.
https://www.aclum.org/en/press-releases/aclu-statement-biden-administration-terminating-bristol-county-ice-agreements
From everything I can find they shut down their 287g contract with them because Massachusetts wanted it shut down. I'm not finding other stories about shut downs. In fact the ACLUs position is that this is still an on going problem.
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Far from shutting down problematic private detention centers it looks like he's leaning on them while doubling detention rates.
And I'm pretty sure we talked about title 42 before. He ended that program in a manner guaranteed to be stopped by the courts. And then left it until he instituted the new asylum system that's already illegal according to our laws and treaties. Asylees must be allowed to declare asylum after arrival. With no caveats. Any kind of restriction on that is illegal. But Biden is now claiming asylees must remain in the country they want to flee while coordinating with the US State department. That is incredibly dangerous and naive.
The numbers are interesting and I bet the 2020 number is very high because of covid, but them comparing total deaths might be statistical deception.
How old were the people who died? What were the causes of death? Did the total amount of people in detention stay consistent over time?
According to the article, a few of the ones listed are pretty young, but they didn't show causes of death.
Definitely nothing else that increased mortality happened in 2020 right?
Which is also something the president had control to protect prisoners from.
But instead went, "It's gonna go big in cities, kill lots of democrats, let it run loose!"
Then that plan backfired and it went rampant in republican areas as democrats masked up and got vaccinated..
The president at the time made zero effort to do anything other than hide behind a curtain and go, "The virus isn't real! Trust me I tell the truth!", then spent months saying insane things with no evidence to substantiate any of it. Tens of thousands of rural citizens trusted him and died following his advice.
One final note, this was less than a few years after dismantling and defunding Obama's virus response task force which had been assembled so that the US would be prepared for virulant events.
Yes but also ICE decided to go half way to the Nazi solution and sprayed detainees with pesticide so much they caused health problems. (The holocaust gas chamber were a very high dose of pesticide.)
Disinfectant ≠ pesticide
Obviously every COVID policy everywhere is heavily criticized after the fact by someone, but that likely saved lives.
I'm aware that not all disinfectant is pesticide. I'm also aware that they exposed detainees to pesticide in the name of COVID prevention.
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It was probably mostly covid with some Title 42 mixed in, considering the previous numbers were on the higher side as well.