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Checking one word = hours of work? Stop bullshitting, man. The problem here is that you can't get your facts or your argument straight, and your inability to do the bare minimum research is indicative of the broader problem you have.
Again, acknowledging the possibility that we can't accurately predict the future is not 'gaslighting' and it also makes it very clear that I don't have unwavering faith in Starmer or Labour to deliver. If I did, I would have assumed that they're going to win, because that's a precondition for delivering anything. I have also repeatedly made it clear that I am not confident they'll be able to deliver on one of their key policies. The fact that you feel able to gloss this as 'unwavering faith' is yet another indication that you are not rooting your argument in anything resembling the facts.
If your definition of leftwing doesn't include social democrats, that means it doesn't include, e.g., Clement Attlee or FDR, and thereby excludes historic achievements like the NHS or the New Deal from being considered left wing victories. This is yet another idea you have introduced that is impossible to reconcile with the rest of your argument. Again, man, the slightest bit of thought, rather than screaming over-reactions, would be really helpful and might even make conversations like this a productive use of your time.
If you could refrain from constantly introducing irrelevancies, that might also be helpful. This started as a conversation about whether you could vote for hung parliaments and is now a conversation about the history and nature of left wing politics. This is because you kept asking more questions, which anyone can see that I have answered, despite your insistence that I haven't. Indeed, it's difficult to see how I could have made you sick with my answers while also not answering you.
If I can suggest another hypothetical conversation: one person is screaming 'You make me sick! Nobody's really left wing apart from me!' and another is saying things like, 'We cannot predict the future, so I might be wrong, but here's what I think based on X, Y, Z' -- would you really find the first person more persuasive?