You may have noticed a distinct lack of return2ozma. This is due to their admitting, in a public comment, that their engagement here is in bad faith:
I'm sure there will be questions, let me see if I can address the most obvious ones:
- Can I still post negative stuff about Biden?
Absolutely! We have zero interest in running an echo chamber. However, if ALL you're posting is negative, you may want to re-think your priorities. You get out of the world what you put into it and all that.
- Why now?
Presumption of innocence. It may be my own fault, but I do try to think the best of people, and even though they were posting negative articles, they weren't necessarily WRONG. Biden's poll numbers, particularly in minority demographics ARE in the shitter. They are starting to get better, but he still has a hell of a hill to climb.
- Why a 30 day temp ban and not a permanent ban?
The articles return2ozma shared weren't bad, faked, or from some wing-nut bias site like "beforeitsnews.com", they were legitimate articles from established and respected news agencies, pointing out the valid problems Biden faces.
The problem was ONLY posting the negatives, over and over and then openly admitting that dishonest enagement is their purpose.
Had they all been bullshit articles? It would not have taken anywhere near this much time to lay the ban and it would have been permanent.
30 days seems enough time for them to re-think their strategery and come back to engage honestly.
Thats not a bad faith argument anymore than a liberal posting something bad about trump because it fits their narrative. Like many leftists I hate democrats more than Republicans because Republicans don't pretend to care. Republicans will tell you to your face who they are, democrats will lie to your face about inclusion and acceptance and proceed to legislate like their conservative counterparts.
There are no 1775 democrats. Every single 1775er is a Republican. That's a wrap right there but I'm gonna keep going because then it sounds like I'm avoiding the rest of your points.
Republicans have been stonewalling Congress since 2010. Both parties have issues with partisanship and gatekeeping but you're confusing 3 points all together at once. 1) conflating effective governance within the limits of a bicameral legislature, designed to advance only through compromise, with hypocrisy. 2) trying to lie about republicans somehow having more integrity than Democrats 3) telling yet another lie implying that Democratic legislation is anywhere near as conservative as what republicans put out and bonus point number 4) pretending democrats have contributed to the advancement of neo fascism by playing hide the sausage with the term "conservative" in the same way or at the same level as Republicans have.
The argument that Republicans are honest about who they are is itself a Republican talking point. Look at how they flip flopped on matters of law and order as soon as Trump got convicted. Stop letting yourself be deceived. If you're a leftist who hates Democrats more than Republicans you sound like what would have been considered a useful idiot by the Soviet Union, cutting off your leg to spite your face.
Which party tried to overthrow the government again? And is still trying to?
Lol, so you're saying lying in order to stop the will of the people is not considered trying overthrowing the government? Trying to stop the certification of an elected official, raiding the capital, building a gallow to hang the VP, not to mention trying to activate the national guard to stop the certification process. Not fascist at all, according to you.
There's nothing wrong about critiquing the government, but if you're willfully ignoring everything that's happened even before the 2016 election, you're not arguing in good faith, champ.
I never said otherwise, but they lied and still are in an attempt to overturn the election.
Lowering them goalposts.
You absolutely can, who lead the charge? Who organized the entire rally? Who helped bus in the Republicans from all over the country? The GOP. They are complicit and are the ones who organized the entire coup attempt. On top of being in kahoots with right-wing militias like the proud boys who their leader (who has been charged) also had an active role on J6
Nice loaded question.
How about you ask your own country? Is your country innocent of interfering with other countries?
WTF Have you not been paying attention to current events? Support for American values of democracy and freedom.
That must be why they voted to renew the patriot act every 3 years since 2002, because they value freedom.
Please. All the worst legislation is bipartisan. Republicans are just stupid enough to say the quiet part out loud.
Mostly true. Because most of the Republican Party is made up of unamerican neofascists.
No. That that is almost never the US justification for war. But yes, saving South Korea from being ruled by the North Korean dictator was a great thing.
So that is the same as "fascism". GTFO with that ridiculous nonsense.
Because you are not comparing it with the absence of democracy, You are comparing it with a perfect democracy. The absence of a perfect democracy is not a "joke", it is the difference between fascism and non-fascism.
Dude nobody is praising North Koreans and Chinese for their war of aggression and mass murder. Also please stop your implied racism against South Koreans by undervaluing their freedom.
Sort of true with Korea and Vietnam. Not true at all with the rest.
Yes the consequences are very apparent. South Korea is a thriving free democracy. North Korea is still the worst country in the world to live.
That's why nobody is claiming there is. There is a measurable scale for how good a democracy is. Starting with the obvious "Is there freedom of the press?" and going to stuff like: Is every vote weighed the same? Is it easy to vote?
Not democracy because votes are grouped by states? How idiotic can you get?
North Korea is responsible for the war. The USA and UN is not. Are you saying it would be bad for the US or UN to help defend any country from an unprovoked attack? So Britain and France were responsible for WWII and not Germany? What utter nonsense.
I'm not praising the war. North Korea's war of aggression was terrible and cost many lives. I am praising the United Nation's role preserving freedom in South Korea. The United Nations was authorized by the Security Council to defend South Korea. You undervaluing the freedom of Asians sounds like racism. It's easy for you to say that Asians do not deserve freedom, but you would think radically differently if YOU were the one living in North Korea.
Dude Afghanistan was attacked by NATO because they attacked the USA. Iraq was attacked because Bush was alleging weapons of mass destruction. Democracy was a SIDE EFFECT, the not reason for war.
The pretense that there is no scale and it is black or white is what is ridiculous.
Which makes the US an imperfect democracy, not a dictatorship. It is not all the way to perfect on the scale.
both parties claim they are the true defenders of american values of democracy and freedom. is it possible neither actually is?
It is theoretically possible but not in fact the case at all. The War On Democracy always comes from the Republican Party
obama had a kill list and extrajudicially murdered us citizens. bill clinton signed the welfare reform and the crime bill and he signed off on moving the us embassy to jerusalem. under kennedy, we went into vietnam.
democrats don't value democracy. they do what the war machine wants, and sometimes that means having a war against democracy.
Yes. Osama Bin Laden.
WTF none of those have anything to do with democracy. Did you think "democracy" meant "do everything that you personally want"? Do you not get that you are not the only voter? LMFAO.
How is going into Vietnam a war AGAINST democracy. Vietnam does not have a democracy, although South Vietnam had a democracy in 1975. And South Korea has a democracy today, because of the Korean War.
not just Osama. American citizens.
they were all antidemocratic. none of them supported justice. the North Vietnamese wanted communism. denying that using the war machine is antidemocratic.
Dude you are using "antidemocratic" to mean "anything I do not like" instead of "not what the voters wanted". It's kind of rude to pretend that you are the only voter who matters.
How would you know? There was no election. That is like claiming the Italians wanted Fascism. And the reason for the war was to defend that other country of South Vietnam which definitely did not want communism.
something the majority did not choose.
Then all your examples are wrong.
there is a cure for historical illiteracy.
Good you need that.
one of us does.
the supposed reason for the war was the gulf of tonkin, and the real motivation was dominoe theory. don't lie.
So you now admit US involvement in the (2nd of 3) Vietnam wars was not to "spread democracy".
that was my position the whole time: democrats are lying about supporting democracy.
And you've been wrong the whole time.
you just said i was right.
You were wrong about many different things
if that were true you could enumerate them
Riiiight. Everything that you don’t like is “fascist” and the bOtH siDeS rhetoric is OLD.
Your own party is fascist. Their ratchet effect keeps fascism in power and keeps shifting the Overton window
Nice mental gymnastics you got going there, champ.
Ringling Bros is talking about mental gymnastics