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[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 65 points 2 years ago

Charlie Kirk hates homosexuals so much that the Right Wing Inversion Principle means he must be gay too. He started a movement that acts like a support group to help keep him scared and in the closet.

[-] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

Doesn't he get haircuts tho? He's basically going to hell anyway.

[-] espentan@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

I had no idea sky daddy didn't like haircuts. But, you know what, I'm relieved. Now I know I'm going to hell, uncertainty be gone. And.. and, I can go sporting a fresh trim.

[-] Slwh47696@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

His face also gets smaller every time I see him

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

I really don't like comments like this. They imply that queer people are the cause of homophobia.

[-] exanime@lemmy.today 19 points 2 years ago

I don't read it as that... To me it looks like being afraid of leaving the closet causes homophobia

This is the same principle as small penis men buying large trucks... They are doubling down on the homophobia display to over compensate for their homosexuality

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

But haven't you noticed that every loudmouth homophobe gets called secretly queer?

[-] exanime@lemmy.today 13 points 2 years ago

I think it's because they so often are ... It's becoming a stereotype now

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I think they so often are claimed to be. How many actually are? Have there been some? Yes. Do we actually know how many? Even a rough estimate?

[-] exanime@lemmy.today 1 points 2 years ago

I think they so often are claimed to be

They portrait themselves as raging homophobics just to then pretend to be gay? I don't follow

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

I think that other people often make the claim that homophobes are secretly gay and I'm asking if we actually know how many, even based on a rough estimate, that applies to. If not, it's a spurious and rather disturbing claim.

[-] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I'm just hoping that the stereotype gets to them and causes them to mellow out in response.

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[-] Bobmighty@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

Homophobia is the reason some queer people self hate so goddamn much they lash out at all queer people while the original homophobes cheer it on. Also, some people are just awful, terrible monsters regardless of their sexuality.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Sure, there are self-hating people of all sorts of marginalized groups, but queer people are the only ones who get regularly talked about as if the people who oppress them are also queer.

You don't hear about Muslims being oppressed by secret Muslims.

I cannot provide evidence for this, obviously, but it would seem to me that most bigots are bigots because they're bigoted, not because they're secretly the thing they're bigoted against.

[-] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago

Religion isn't something intrinsic about a person. If you hate the fact that you're a Muslim, you can opt out.

You cannot opt out being queer.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

They imply that queer people are the cause of homophobia.

I don't think it would be accurate to call someone like Ted Haggard or Marcus Bachmann or Jerry Falwell Jr "queer", as they are deeply closeted and conformist presenting. That said, I do see the consequences of prior iterations of conversion therapy produce a group of incredibly violent and sadistic "ex" gay men.

So I might say that violence against queer people has a cyclical effect and perpetuates homophobia, in the same way that violence against women perpetuates misogyny and violence against pocs perpetuate racism. Some of the people who have had their personalities systematically reshaped through physical and psychological abuse inherit the job of abusing the next generation. They are held up as symbols of the system's success and granted special privilege on the condition they continue the cycle of violence on behalf of the originators of the system.

But when you get behind the Ted Haggards and Marcus Bachmans and Falwell Jrs, you'll routinely find patriarchs fixated on their genetic legacy, who see queer children as a threat to their continued line. The real root of this problem is the fixation on race science and genetic bloodlines. The extremely high opinion that Ronald Reagan or Dick Cheney or Mitt Romney or Donald Trump have of themselves and the desperate need they have for large families that will propagate their own genes leads to this ideological revulsion towards children who won't also have large families.

Its the blue blooded aristocrat's need for racial purity that leads to homophobia. Brutalized ex-gay converts are simply their deputies, in the endless war on their own children and grandchildren in pursuit of even more offspring.

[-] msage@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

It's because it's a recurring theme.

Not that queer people cause homophobia, just a lot of homophobes turn out to fuck the same gender.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

As I have said to others- You are talking about 18 actual people vs. every time any person in the news says something homophobic. That's the problem. There are, if you were to believe what is said, no cishet homophobes. They're all secretly queer.

[-] msage@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

It's just a random list, but there have been a lot more.

The point is, nobody believes they are all gay, just that many of the fervent ones happen to be. Or at the very least they have dabbled in the acts.

Like catholic church - very anti-gay, get altar boys have been molested at a very high rate.

So while 'not all homophobes', there is certainly a trend. And I dunno, perhaps it should be investigated deeper when you push on it like that.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

The point is, nobody believes they are all gay,

And yet, as I said, every single time someone says something homophobic in the media, the claim is that they're closeted.

So I think people do believe that. They may not admit they believe it, but what else can be derived from that finger pointing every single time?

[-] msage@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

People do that to Catholic church as well, does that make you feel like EVERY clergy man is a predator?

It's just a coincidence, but frequent enough, to make that connection.

Same as here. And those same homophobes and fragile masculiners will sing praises about well-built male bodies. And keep almost exclusively male company.

There are people who oppose gay marriage because it works for them politically, but if their base shifted opinions, would support it 100%. But they keep it all on the down low.

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[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

Well everyone is on a spectrum then... strictly speaking it's true. 😅

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