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Never buy .xyz (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by HumanPerson@sh.itjust.works to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world
 

I just wanted to post this here because I want to help you all and hurt gen.xyz as much as possible. I had a .xyz domain through njal.la which I used to host jellyfin, homeassistant, and other basic things for friends and family. My domain recently became inaccessible without any notice. After a while of troubleshooting, I found that it had been reported to xyz as abuse, and they must have done zero investigation whatsoever before serverholding my domain. I thought about opening a ticket with xyz to get my domain back, but realized that I no longer wish to buy from some shitty company that will take down any site without warning. Bought a .com domain since they are somewhat reputable, and I would advise everyone here to never buy a .xyz domain. Angry rant over.

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[–] peskywarrior@lemmy.world 100 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

Just wanted to say in case others see this, you can buy a .xyz domain from reputable places (maybe for a higher cost). I believe the OP is talking about the specific site 'gen.xyz'.

I have an xyz domain with Cloudflare, host many things on it (like Jellyfin), and haven't had any issues yet.

Edit: as many have pointed out, my understanding of registrars was wrong and gen.xyz actually owns all xyz tlds. Sleep in fear if you own one I suppose

[–] viking@infosec.pub 64 points 5 months ago

The thing is that gen.xyz is the registrar itself, i.e. the highest authority for this tld. If they blacklist domains, you're screwed.

[–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 34 points 5 months ago

gen.xyz controls all .xyz domains, even yours. Doesn't matter where you registered it.

[–] OpticalMoose@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for that explanation. My regex impaired ass thought he wanted to hurt generation[x|y|z].

I'm like "what'd we ever do to you?"

[–] HumanPerson@sh.itjust.works 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No, I'm in that category too lol.

As is everyone born between 1965 and 2015, which is quite a few people.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Cloudflare can still go bad, but its usually for high-capacity users who are using way more than the average. I haven't seen any homeserver users get hit with any trouble, but I've seen a couple small businesses have bad situations with Cloudflare, although it honestly seems like the minority.

Cloudflare has issues but for most its probably fine.

[–] peskywarrior@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

From what I've seen/heard, if you follow the ToS (usually by not proxy-ing hosts that shouldn't be proxied or are in violation if they are) there's nothing to be afraid of ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[–] HumanPerson@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I bought from njal.la. they were almost entirely unhelpful but pointed me to the site for the tld. It appeared through their wording that gen.xyz who owns the xyz tld was responsible for taking the domain down. I bought my new domain through porkbun tho.

[–] Syn_Attck@lemmy.today 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Njalla just buys domains from major registrars on your behalf and owns them on your behalf. Godaddy, Tucows, etc. It was the owner of the entire .xyz space (gen.xyz) who shut your domain down. Njalla is just passing along the info. Porkbun will do the same.

[–] HumanPerson@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I know, but they didn't pass much info. They told me it was serverhold and nothing else. They could have at least said it wasn't them that did it.

[–] Syn_Attck@lemmy.today 7 points 5 months ago

Since its servhold, you may be able to remove the offending content (for a short time, anything public-facing) and then contact reg.xyz to get it unsuspended. You're right though that's not very good customer service.

On a related note, it's possible a misconfiguration allowed some of the contents or index to be shown publicly and it got caught in a search engine and was taken down in an automated DMCA sweep. I believe .xyz is an American registrar so have to respond to DMCA but could be wrong on that. I like to stay with any .TLD that archive uses.. md, ph, etc.

https://help.sav.com/hc/en-us/articles/11933048624923-Resolving-serverHold-on-Your-Domain

[–] Kiwi@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

That’s not how domains work.

[–] danhab99@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How expensive can "reputable" be. I got danhab99.xyz for like ¯⁠\⁠(⁠°⁠_⁠o⁠)⁠/⁠¯ $20/year?? Who cares

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Namecheap is reputable and WAY cheaper than that. Been using them for years.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

This is all news to me. I thought .xyz was owned by Google after they became Alphabet and had that ABC.XYZ site years ago.

Love when I see stuff like this and get to learn something new