Starfield was the final straw for me, I will never get excited for another Bethesda game again. They've shown that they refuse to truly shake up their game design. When people asked if Starfield would have the same magic as FO3 or older TES games, they said, "it'll have the same DNA." I assumed that meant it'd have fun exploration and interesting quests. While it has some decent quests, the exploration is utterly tedious and just unfun. I truly wish they'd had just focused on fleshing out 2 or 3 planets in one solar system, maybe some instanced, hand-crafted dungeons/whatever outside of it. I have zero interest in exploring proc gen worlds, it's not that fun in No Man's Sky and it's not fun here. At least with NMS, it's all relatively seamless.

[–] MacedWindow@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

For myself and many people Skyrim is the best game they've ever played. It was the first fantasy game I played since Runescape to have multiple cities spread out through an open world, with long narrative multi stage quests involving a number of locations and NPCs. Both games also have a leveling sytem based around you get better at what you use ie "skilling".

I want "TES 6" in that I want another game that hits those marks, but I no longer trust Bethesda to make it.

Edit: note I know a lot of people dislike skyrim and think calling it a great game is absurd, and I get the criticism but I love the game anyway

[–] variants@possumpat.io 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

To me that was oblivion, when I got skyrim I just felt burnt out because it felt so similar but at the same time missing some of the stuff I liked like the custom spells etc, then fallout 4 came out and I sort of shelved it but once I got into it I spent soo many hours on it. Maybe it's like cod now where if you skip a few years it's fun again but not every single game because they just aren't that different

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

I had a similar feeling after Morrowind playing Oblivion. Morrowind is the one game I wish they'd remake/fan mood to he playable on modern systems.

So much nostalgia...

[–] batmaniam@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

FO4 is why I waited and ultimately didn't buy starfield. I LOVED elderscrolls, and FO:NV is like my alltime favorite. I didn't hate FO4, there's some fun to be had, but you can see pretty clearly from it where FO:76 came from. From what I've seen and read, I'm not missing anything with starfield.

NMS is tough. They did an amazing job trying to salvage it, but it will always be a game that was never meant to be that big. It's not bad but at somepoint in the loop you just go "wtf am I doing?". I give that team all the credit in the world, but that game never belonged where it is.

[–] amio@kbin.run 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

New Vegas is notable for not being a Bethesda game per se. It uses something very close to the Fallout 3 engine, but the actual content has little to do with Bethesda. They did publish it, though.

[–] batmaniam@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

Oh I'm well aware lol. The game is a godamn miracle. But thats the thing, Bethesda has been on this trajectory for a good lonnnnnng while. Like the whole "obsidian good bethesda bad" thing isn't quite right, but what is true is Bethesda has been incredibly strategic about shittifying their games: there's always just enough there to keep you going "ok... one more".

Starfield is the first one I just didn't even bother with.

[–] yeather@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 months ago

The same DNA meant they used the same engine and not much else.