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Fallout 4 sucked, too.
Its a fun shooter game, but its not a fallout. Throwing supermutants into a game doesnt make it a Fallout. Especially with how they fucked SPECIAL.
Fallout TV is probably the last decent product from Bethesda, and I'd wager thats only cause Bethesda isnt in charge of writing.
Fallout 4 is like 4 different games crammed into a trench coat.
All of these are kind of badly done, and mashing them all together didn't make something greater than the parts.
And the only aspect thats any good is the shooter part. Cause it is a fun shooter. Especially at higher levels with more exotic weapons.
But the story is shit
The RPG Elements.. the SPECIAL/Stats were shit on and ruined to enable some vague idea of nearly infinite growth within an uncapped level system.
and the settlement building is somehow worse than how a New Vegas mod managed to do it.
Fallout 3's world doesn't feel like Fallout but the tone of the writing comes close.
Fallout 4's tone and writing doesn't feel like Fallout, but the world does.
New Vegas is the only 3D Fallout game that feels like Fallout in both the world and the writing.
I can almost guarantee that unless Josh Sawyer and the other original talent that made 1, 2, and tactics that also worked on New Vegas are working on it, it will never feel like a true Fallout game.
I would love for Obsidian to get another crack at Fallout, but I don't think they are the only ones capable of making a good fallout game (though they would undoubtly be the best).
It just takes passion for the property, and a vested interest in the world. Something Bethesda is clearly lacking. Bethesda seems to be in the phase of "throw darts at a bunch of sticky notes on the wall" of trying to figure out how to make a game, and it just leads to a disjointed experience.
For me it's the fundamental difference in design philosophy. Bethesda does power fantasies, which works great for TES, but not for Fallout. You should be barely scraping by, not making the wasteland your bitch.
Obsidian is off doing things and making games better than Fallout, they’d only come back because their studio isn’t extremely profitable and needs the cash.
Really though, please just go buy their games and play them. Outer Worlds got slated as pretty average but I’m still really excited to play that and Outer Worlds 2.
I liked Outer Worlds, but while I do see some "NV magic" there, it feels like both Bethesda AND Obsidian are no longer the same companies that they once were. Obsidian are still quietly putting out some solid games...but not to the same quality of two generations prior.
Outer Worlds is a great, fun game.
The only bad thing about it is idiot gamers heard the basic premise, and that Obsidian was making it, and immediately stroked their hype boners up over "OMG NEW VEGAS IN SPACE!" when it was nothing of the sort.
The perk system was fine imo, but the fact that attributes (except for charisma) did not influence dialogue at all was extremely disappointing.
Roleplay opportunities were traded in for a better gunplay experience. It became an FPS, not an RPG.
Look the perk system was bad but it’s wasn’t Fallout New Vegas bad. It was okay for a Fallout game but they probably should’ve done level ups by doing each 5 levels gives you 2 SPECIAL points to spend rather than spending normal points on the core stats.
Eh, I liked it better than 3.
talk about damning with faint praise..
I had fun with both. Fallout 4's flaws are still there, but if you're going to make a punching bag out of one of them, 4 is a better game than 3, IMO.
Better than 3 maybe, but doesn't even hold a candle to New Vegas. Hell, id argue 3 with NV's engine is leagues better.
No ones disagreeing with that.
Fallout 3 was all around an inferior game. Not just an inferior fallout, but an inferior game, compared to 4.
Mostly cause Fallout 3 was a disjointed mess.
But just because Fallout 4 is better by comparison, Doesnt mean fallout 4 is good.
I hate beets. But give me the choice between a bowl of shit and a bowl of beets, and put a gun to my head? I'll eat the beets gladly and happily. Doesnt mean I love them.
Neither is shit. 4 is way better. 1, 2, and New Vegas are better still. But 3 doesn't tend to come up in these conversations when people talk about Bethesda Fallouts being worse. They always go to 4, and that surprises me.
because Fallout 3 is at least fallout-ish despite its horrible writing, story, and world building.
4 is just a shooter game with Vault Tec and Super mutants thrown into it.
As an RPG player, people kept saying I should play Fallout, but I never have because it always looked more like a shooter than an RPG, and I want to play an actual RPG, not a shooter with RPG elements (especially because I despise shooters).
Play 1 and 2 if you dont mind isometric, cause they are a definitive roleplay experience.
and New Vegas if you gotta have that 3d.
Then play Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas.
In all the previous shooter Fallouts, you can basically use VATS to never have to aim yourself if that's what you want to do (or melee build!), it's like an auto-aimer. You won't miss that much and maybe that way you can enjoy the universe.
I hate modern gaming. Opinions aren’t allowed to be held. I don’t like this thing so ITS THE WORST OF THAT THING
I hate having discussions. Opinions aren't allowed to be held because theres always some entitled ass that has to come in and misrepresent what everyones saying so they can fulfill their personal fantasy of being offended and attacked.
Once you take high school English your teacher will tell you not to write "in my opinion" in front of everything you write because it is unnecessary. Of course it is your option, you said it.
Someone with basic logic can extrapolate from that that if someone says something like "Fallout 4 is bad" that is clearly someone presenting an opinion and not an objective truth.