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About 3 or 4 years ago PayPal added the option to buy cryptocurrency, which I thought I’d try. (Dumb idea 🙄)

Part of the sign up process was glitched. I retried and clicked submit one too many times, I guess. Now I’ve been unable to use PayPal for years. They blocked me because THEIR SITE was broken, but the web page essentially accuses me of being a criminal and asks for my bank records. No way in hell.

This was just for me to pay others. I can only imagine how awful PayPal is if you are a vendor.

Fuck PayPal.

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[–] shortwavesurfer@monero.town -3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I think that's the fundamental disconnect. You may not see it as money, where I do, since I can buy the things I need to survive with it. And I can buy the things that I enjoy with it, which makes it money. Fees have never been a real problem. I mean, 1 US cent for a transaction is nothing

Edit: You and I would be unable to make a trade because we cannot agree on what is valuable. I do not value fiat currencies and you do not value crypto.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And you don't see how your comment is one of many reasons crypto isn't the future of money?

[–] shortwavesurfer@monero.town 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, no. The only money we've had in the past that even compares is when we were actually using gold and silver. The problem with those though is that they cannot be stored or sent digitally without the help of a third party whom you then have to trust. Crypto is the future because it has the same value whether you're in Caracas or Chicago or London or Moscow. It can be transferred anywhere in the world in seconds and settles within 20 minutes, not three business days or more such as the banking system. It is a bearer asset that nobody can take away from you without force and no government can inflate away and leave you poor.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

It is a bearer asset

Meaning your money can be stolen and it's gone forever unless you convince them to return it

that nobody can take away from you without force

Unless your wallet's password is cracked, then you're fucked and have no recourse. There have been so many issues with wallets generated with a bad algorithm that allows people to break your phrase easily and leave you without anything. And that's not even getting into hot wallet issues where you get rug pulled and they steal all your money or you decide to give your money to someone like SBF and the whole exchange does down.

There are so many examples that disprove this statement that it's honestly hilarious.

and no government can inflate away and leave you poor.

No, instead you can get left poor by some scam you fell for and have even less recourse to get your money back than if it was the government.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

You may not see it as money, where I do, since I can buy the things I need to survive with it.

Can you go to a random store and buy food or goods? Can you send it to your landlord for rent? No, only a small sunset of orgs take it, because everyone else understands that shit like transaction delays and inconsistent gas fees means it's impossible to effectively run a business on monopoly money that doesn't have a set worth.

You can consider it to have monetary value, and I do insofar as you're playing with an unregulated security that should be taxed, but it's not money in that you can buy an arbitrary good for sale. You're playing with monopoly bills that someone will agree to pretend is real money, but most businesses will laugh you out of the building and tell you to come back with real money. Because crypto is just a financial asset that people give monetary worth, but it isn't money.