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[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 230 points 5 months ago (7 children)

On the one hand, he fumbled his words a few times pretty poorly. On the other hand, he didn't spend an hour blatantly lying.

I was watching CNN's coverage. I thought Biden did alright, asides from a few notable blunders that he recovered from. CNN's coverage made it sound like he needed to have his adult diapers changed mid question.

It's crazy how they're completely ignoring any substance of the debate and solely focusing on appearances. It's almost like that'd favour a populist candidate or something.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 94 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah Trump spent an hour blatantly lying.

But people believe him.

That's not a win.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 36 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It should be the media's responsibility to thoroughly fact check both parties. If that means they have to pre-submit their primary answers and read them off a teleprompter, then so be it.

You're right, it wasn't a win, but it should have been.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 75 points 5 months ago (3 children)

CNN can't help themselves. They need to compete with social media I guess.

I dunno, that debate just made me sad.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 72 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

CNN can't help themselves.

I wonder if that has anything to do with CNN's chairman and CEO, Mark Thompson, ranked by Forbes as the 65th most powerful person in the world. 🤔

Would someone like that benefit from tax cuts to the ultra-wealthy?

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't think it's even about candidates, but just focusing on appearances.

That's what grabs attention and makes money. Even the robotic social media feed algorithms know this.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 months ago

What makes money for billionaires is influencing who sets their tax rates.

[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Didn't this guy say that he wanted to makeCNN more "centrist"? So I guess what he meant by that was pull it a few inches to the right...

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

At first I was sad. Then I was very angry. And now I’m scared.

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[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 55 points 5 months ago (2 children)

you are trying to gaslight me. i want the democrats to win so we don't have trump, and they're voluntarily trotting out this fucking corpse.

sure, it shouldn't be about appearances, but it is, because that's how most people interpret the debates (especially because it's part of the job for politicians to lie and that isn't exactly a meaningful shock at this point). that's the worst i've ever seen anybody do in a debate in my life.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

I fucking despise Biden for his policy in Palestine. If there was any reasonable chance that they could switch candidates now and still have a shot, I'd totally agree with you.

I think he's way too old to be president, but I'm sorry to say you're stuck with a shit decision, and one that's been engineered to help work against our best interests.

I fully get where you're coming from, but I'm not trying to gaslight you.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 41 points 5 months ago (3 children)

fucking despise Biden for his policy in Palestine

I'm not an American and even I know it is not his policy. It is a result of decades of US-Israel relationships with all kinds of ties between the two countries and has far too many stakeholders than just the head of the state.

Not even Bernie could've managed to navigate this shit situation properly.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Bernie would've led Bibi by the fucking nose. He'd have recalled his days in the kibbutz and said that Bibi is burning everything good about Israel.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Perhaps. I wish that were the reality we lived in. I also wish Gore won over Bush and we nipped Global warming in the bud. Alas...

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I also wish Gore won over Bush

He did win, and then SCOTUS declared the loser of the election POTUS in one of the most catastrophic decisions of any in the history of the world, given the later consequences.

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[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I don't know... I see what you're saying, but does the president not have the power to take a principled stance on the matter? Maybe I'm being too naïve about what's realistically possible, but ultimately intended policy decisions have to start at the mouth of the nation's leader.

He needs to firmly acknowledge and denounce the ongoing genocide in Palestine.

[–] blackbrook@mander.xyz 23 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Can someone remind me of the last time a U.S. president took a principled stand on some foreign policy issue? Seriously, I'm not just asking this to be a dick. I'm pretty sure things are set up to ensure this does not ever happen.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Biden pulling out of Afghanistan.

[–] bitwaba@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Obama pulled out of Iraq.

Biden pulled out of Afghanistan.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Shit, my bad, I did a stupid

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I mean, he certainly did say that he wants to increases taxes on the ultra-wealthy.

It's not a foreign policy issue, but it's one that would be unpopular with any rich donors so it perhaps demonstrates some amount of integrity.

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to defend the US. Their foreign policy is stinkier than blue cheese.

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[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sure, but didn’t Biden go on a rant of how pro-Israel he is specifically?

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 months ago

He did, and I'm not trying to downplay that in any way. He also called for peace, though, whereas Trump said he was also pro-Israel but thought Israel should finish what they started.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (23 children)

is not his policy.It is a result of decades of US-Israel relationships with all kinds of ties between the two countries

Yeah it is. Obama said about the Cuban Embargo that "these 50 years have shown that isolation has not worked", so he changed longstanding policy.

Meanwhile, letting Israel do whatever the fuck they want to Palestinians for 75 years hasn't made the treatment more just (duh) or the region more stable and peaceful, and the majority of the population realizes that now.

People are demanding of Biden and the rest of the Dem leadership, which are the people with the power to do so, to change the awful status quo of total deference to a fascist apartheid regime and Biden et al are risking the election and thus American democracy by refusing to listen to the people who they are supposed to represent.

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[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's come to the point where the risk of changing the candidate has to be weighed against the risk of not changing the candidate.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

And it has been. The risk of sticking with Biden is the greater one by far. He's losing the election and showing no willingness to change any of the behaviors that are causing it.

Switching to another candidate might be a controversial choice, but it's still a safer bet than Biden.

[–] troglodytis@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Na. It's a pretty clear and easy decision. Neither option gonna get ya what you want and need, but one option is actively trying for a disastrous result.

Unfortunately, too many people in the USA say the same thing and mean the opposite candidate.

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 45 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I thought Biden did alright

He just didn't. In any other previous cycle, it would not have been considered acceptable. The bar has gotten very low.

Biden looked senile, and Trump looked like regular, crazy Trump. The senility will do more for voters than Trump being Trump.

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

Exactly, people expect Trump to be Trump, but they expect Biden to not be senile.

What a sorry state of affairs.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The issue is appearances are all that mattered. I don't believe anyone who was interested enough in politics to watch that debate was undecided. It's now time for the campaigns to cut up the debate to use for ads that will actually reach the undecided voters. I feel it's going to hurt Biden a lot more than Trump.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, I don't disagree. Those who make their decisions by disregarding policy are probably not going to be doing the right things for the right reasons anyways.

If they tip the balance and that means a dictatorship, there's nothing anyone can do to stop it short of global intervention.

[–] bitwaba@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm hoping the reason this debate was agreed to so early is that the DNC needs to know if they've got to work out a plan B. The convention is scheduled for the end of August so until then Biden isn't the official candidate. Like, if in 2 months they're polling at 30%, I don't see how they can go "oh yeah, this is definitely a losing strategy. Let's stick with it". Why not switch it up? You're losing already. The worst that can happen is you still lose.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (4 children)

This is exactly what I’m thinking. So next then, who do they run instead?

BTW remember when like three years ago Biden said multiple times he would only serve one term? smdh

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