@spicytuna62 It's not the best we got. The best we got is to stop the wasteful overproduction and stop letting society being about building building building.

We should rather reframe society into being about growing and localizing the economy. Focusing on living with nature, not at it's expense.

[–] thegreenguy@sopuli.xyz 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I don't disagree with you, but this is unrealistic. Starting the whole principles of society from scratch is never gonna happen. We should focus on making sure that, while we still "build and build", it is in a sustainable way, using renewable energy sources, as well as nuclear.

Edit: this is not saying we don't need societal change, there are definitely lots of things that need fixing, but it's never gonna be done all at once, completely different. What needs to happen is we focus on the core of the problems, fix that now, and then it will end up looking completeley different than what we have today.

[–] mojo_raisin@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don’t disagree with you, but this is unrealistic.

But...we don't have a choice if we are to survive. Continuation with any system like our current system (i.e. exploitation of nature for economic growth) will lead to obvious ecological collapse. Why is certain ecological collapse viewed as the more realistic choice?

This is akin to a person well on their way to a heart attack saying "well, eating healthy is unrealistic, so let's switch to diet coke and pretend that's enough"

[–] thegreenguy@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 months ago

Yes, except we shouldn't "pitch" it as a total change if we want it to happen. Unfortunately the general public has been brainwashed into believing we are basically either terrorists or we belong in an asylum. It's insane but it's the world we live in....

[–] vegafjord@freeradical.zone 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

@thegreenguy I like the idea of starting society from scratch, but I don't support that this has to happen overnight.

As an anarchist, I support creating human maintained infrastructures rather than monolith maintained infrastructures.

By doing this, we localize our economies and reconnect with the living around us and our peers. We will move towards a society that values goodway.

[–] thegreenguy@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 months ago

I hope we (as a society) start moving towards this sooner rather than later......

[–] BobGnarley@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

I agree, but the shareholders want more money!