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Does it really count as "lucid" if you enunciate your lies, fabrications, misrecollections about... everything?
No. He was not lucid, just loud.
For his voters, his lies and fabrications are the truth. They don't listen to fact checking because they are conditioned to see it as fake and a goverment ploy to fool them.
True. But they were going to have the same criticism of Biden regardless.
It's part of the reason I didn't even watch. Looking over the polling, the debate didn't really change anyone's opinions on anything to any significant degree.
I don't think it has been long enough to have gathered enough data on that. Just watching it myself I could clearly see a low information voter seeing Trump as a more fit choice as Biden struggled to even form sentences :(
They did a lot of the pre-selection of people beforehand. The headline most places are running with is "flash poll says trump won", but if you actually read the conclusions, it's that "flash poll says trump won, more Republicans watched the debate by about a ten percent margin, and no one changed their opinions about fitness for office or who they're voting for".
No-one is going to switch sides, but this performance may affect turnout.
What the polling likely isn't capturing is how many people will ultimately choose not to vote out of despair, and that was the real threat the whole time.
Oh, definitely. Not just possible, they weren't even looking for that. They were entirely looking for what the debate did to preferences and opinions directly about the candidates.
I mostly brought it out as an example of the headline not capturing the whole message of how it impacted voters. Or didn't impact, rather.
Loud and lying every second word != lucid.
It was a goddamn travesty that there was no fact checking by the ~~button pushers~~ moderators.
Everything was allowed to stand as fact. It was disgusting :(