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left wingers are any better? I got one for you, the state is neither, it has both parties in it and only two parties. it is corrupt, rub two brain cells to together to arrive at a conclusion outside of the left/right framework. I know it is hard but work on it.
like why are you even make this left right when most of us are the bottom?
Because one of the parties is better for lifting people up. Like, immeasurably better.
I won't even say which one I think it is. You can decide for yourself.
show me these people who have been lifted up?
statistics point towards largely more poor people, worse health, more debt, less home ownership. who was lifted up and when?
What statistics show that social safety nets lead to those things?
I’ll save you time: they don’t exist
which safety nets? are they in the room here with us right now?
You’ve never heard of social security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, housing opportunities, mental health services, food banks, soup kitchens, etc etc etc
Like Jesus Christ with that comment. How fucking stupid are conservatives? Go hit your head with a hammer and see if it helps. Seemingly it couldn’t hurt.
so practically speaking not much of safety net unless you are old, or single poor mother, which i support no doubt but that is [not] a safety net a vast majority of the population.
also, note mental health services, food banks, soup kitchens >>> federal government and states hardly provide these, they are provided by private sector...
even those have been steadily eroded under successive administration since 1980s, which share of taxes paid by working people have been increasing. so working person pays more taxes and gets no safety net for the most part.
You need to get educated instead of vomiting generic talking points, it would help this country if everyone did the same.
You know one of the parties keeps voting to take away the safety nets/keep us from getting them right? I'm all up for getting a third forth and even fifth party but its just not going to happen unless we can fix the current system and the gop is never going to let that happen.
so what is your solution, vote for the GOP and pray they will suddenly decide NOT to gut every social program they can find?
Yeah.
Remember when Al Franken resigned because someone said they were bother by his actions decades ago? Remember how there were bipartisan investigations into Benghazi and Hillary emails? Or when Bill Clinton let an independent special prosecutor attempt to find evidence of corruption?
How about how Lindsey Graham said that he would never support confirming a supreme court justice before a presidential election and then did that? Or how many of Trump's administration have went to jail?
This "both sides are just as bad" number doesn't work when one side is activity lieing, curtailing freedoms and attempting literal coups, while the other side has obeyed due process and law the overwhelming majority of the time.
Weird that 1/2 of this framework, the D group, always votes against gigantic tax cuts for the rich, and the R group always votes for the exact opposite. Both sides are the ~~same~~ opposite of each other.
Because if you are at the bottom, you would be an extreme fool to vote for the party that consistently gives gigantic tax cuts to billionaires.
@sadreality
In other words: you don't know what "left winger" means.
Hint: The U.S. Democratic Party is not left wing.
Dems have their problems but jfc. What planet do you "bOtH sIdEs" truthers live on?
Centrist Democratic Politician: we want to exploit labor and centralize weath and power, but we want people to like us so we'll do some incrementally good things things to keep folks satisfied
Centrist Republican Politician: we want to exploit labor and centralize weath and power, and fuck you. If you don't support us rapist minorities are going to rape you to death, or you might have to see people who aren't like you in public.
Then how come 100% of them voted against Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump and the GOP's gigantic tax cuts for billionaires in 2017? Vague claims mean nothing. Only real things matter.
So first let's be clear. I'm not "both sides"ing. My point is clearly that the overton window for centrists is so far right, that the parties would essentially meet in the center if the republican party hadn't fully embraced the culture war insanity.
Voting against Trump (a member of the opposing party) is like, the least they could do. They should hardly get back pats for that.
How about this for "real things". House Speaker Nancy Pelosi opposes banning Congress members from owning individual stocks
She later did an about face and said she would bring legislation to do that, and what do you know, two years later and still nothing.
That's why it is critical for Dems to have a big majority. That is the only thing that will move the overton window significantly to the left.