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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

It's perfectly possible having been born with characteristics that make one a "member" of a minority and still be a prejudiced asshole who discriminates against "others". In fact the prejudiced take is to expect that's any less likely for people from a specific minority to be prejudiced than other people.

That said, Trump and his ilk are targeting with their hate LGBT+, though mainly Transexuals and LGBT+ isn't really A community but several.

Considering that at least some year ago there were plenty of stories of Bisexual men being discriminated against by other LGBT+ people, it's not overly surprising the notion that some people who are Gay would thing that attacks on Transexuality are nothing to do with them personally and might even agree with it.

Unlike the reductio ad absurdum fantasy of liberal Identity Politics, people do come in all kinds no mater what group you tag them as being members of.

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, having experienced discrimination doesn't make someone immune from discriminating themselves. There are dumbfuck bigoted arseholes all across the spectrum of humanity.

[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Punching down. It's often why bullies are bullies, they are someone's victim and the lesson they learn is to find someone weaker to make a victim.

If you tell someone they are less than and they believe it, they will start looking for someone less than themselves to treat the same way.

It's inferiority from the top down. Trump talks in terms of being the best, the greatest, etc to mask his true feelings. He feels he is less than. Maybe not consciously, but it's absolutely something that weighs on him.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 months ago

having experienced discrimination doesn't make someone immune from discriminating themselves.

It just makes them someone who lacks introspection, empathy, and the ability to recognize face eating leopards.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not the same. Of course there are dumbfuck bigoted assholes who fit somewhere in the queer spectrum. It’s the dumbfuck bigoted assholes that appear to be marginalizing themselves, supporting bigotry against themselves and everyone like them, that seems like the bigger inconsistency here.

For example bisexual men being discriminated against by people who are NOT bisexual is at least logically consistent

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Gay people discriminating against Transexuals is also logically consistent (not Moral, but certainly logical for somebody whose thinking is "As long a I am alright").

For me a logical explanation for some people who are Gay aligning themselves with Trump and their crowd is them thinking that the prejudices of those people are against Transexuals, not Gays, and as they do not see themselves as being the same and they're not actually pro-Equality out of Principle but simply out of "what's in it for me", they're ok with discrimination against Transexuals.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

That’s some serious tightrope walking