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[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

First- I actually really like seeing AOC not being one of those "burn the house down" politicians as I knew her when she started. It seems like she's learned what it takes to get a large group of people to do one thing, and outrage politics does not do that. Frankly this is the restraint I would look for in a future presidential nominee.

Second- at a base level I'm very for Biden stepping down and giving us the opportunity to escape this hellhole of an election cycle. John Stewart put it pretty well to the DNC- "Do you understand the opportunity you have here? Do you have any idea how thirsty Americans are for any hint of inspiration or leadership, and a release from this choice of a megalomaniac and a suffocating gerontocracy?"

I always look for reasonable takes from opposing viewpoints, and I did find American Historian Allan Lichtman's argument for why Biden stepping down would not be the best idea. Here's the 6 minute video of his 13 keys to the Whitehouse which has predicted 9 of the past 10 elections.

TL;DW:

  1. Party mandate: After the midterm elections, the incumbent party holds more seats in the U.S. House of Representatives than after the previous midterm elections.

  2. No primary contest: There is no serious contest for the incumbent party nomination.

  3. Incumbent seeking re-election: The incumbent party candidate is the sitting president.

  4. No third party: There is no significant third party or independent campaign.

  5. Strong short-term economy: The economy is not in recession during the election campaign.

  6. Strong long-term economy: Real per capita economic growth during the term equals or exceeds mean growth during the previous two terms.

  7. Major policy change: The incumbent administration affects major changes in national policy.

  8. No social unrest: There is no sustained social unrest during the term.

  9. No scandal: The incumbent administration is untainted by major scandal.

  10. No foreign/military failure: The incumbent administration suffers no major failure in foreign or military affairs.

  11. Major foreign/military success: The incumbent administration achieves a major success in foreign or military affairs.

  12. Charismatic incumbent: The incumbent party candidate is charismatic or a national hero.

  13. Uncharismatic challenger: The challenging party candidate is not charismatic or a national hero.

If 5 or fewer of these statements are False, then it is predicted that the incumbent will win. His take is that replacing Biden will do nothing but make point 2 & 3 turn from True statements to False statements, and increase the chances of Trump winning.

While crystal balls are everywhere and you could point to other political scientists who would say different, I was looking for a decent take on the counterpoint. I would also say that in political science, we like to have tools to help us make predictions so we can make actions. Just going on deep gut feeling won't cut it. Having a tool whose measurements don't always align with how you feel an outcome should be doesn't necessarily mean the tool is bad, it means it works independently from your biases. If you watch the video, I think he puts it well as the election is a thumbs up or thumbs down on the party more than it is the individual leader. It might be a helpful thought exercise to change the words "Trump" to "Republican" and "Biden" to "Democrat" when discussing the race as charisma and celebrity only goes so far in politics, but that's what we get caught up in the most.

[–] BlueMacaw@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I actually really like seeing AOC not being one of those “burn the house down” politicians as I knew her when she started

But that's why peopled liked her. Who she is now is basically totally unrepresentative of who she ran as.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

To some degree this is always going to be true when you elect a new person to a new position. Think of it as a video game enthusiast becoming an actual developer.

As someone playing a game, it's really easy to suggest ideas and changes and fixes which sound like simple common sense to do. When you actually see the intricate code however, and how it's structured and run, you realize all your ideas from before aren't as easy to implement as you thought. Your mindset evolves to instead focus on practical solutions which have clear ways to implement.

AOC adopting more practical positions is exactly what you want to see. It shows that she's thinking of how to get those goals done. Bernie operates much the same way.

What would be concerning is someone who goes to Congress for the first time and doesn't change. It would mean they're dishonest about what's actually realistic to get done, and they're just telling you what you want to hear so you'll vote for them.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 months ago

This isn't really a progressive politics issue though. The alternative to Biden isn't a progressive, it's an establishment moderate who can reliably form a coherent sentence. I'm disappointed the people with the sharpest critiques of the decay in Democratic politics aren't taking on this fight, but it's not something I'd hold against them. I think whatever was said in that meeting convinced them that nothing would ever make Joe Biden resign. No influence campaigns, no public statements by politicians, no donor rebellions. He'll drive the car off the cliff before he gives up his ego, so they're just trying to see if somehow they can make it work.

I don't agree, but it's a reasonable choice to make if you fully believe the guy holding the party hostage will die before giving in.