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[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 42 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Because that's not a thing and never has been? Find me any large scale protests in the history of the US where they were protesting a candidate prior to an election.

There's not a single liberal or leftist (a few paid shill podcasters notwithstanding) in the whole country saying "Joe Biden's brain is so soupy that Donald Trump would make a better president." We're saying Democrat leadership suppressed the primary to anoint an incumbent who's going to lose. Democracy is on the line, and we're running out of time to put our best foot forward. It'd be one thing if we were getting honest and reasonable arguments in response, but instead we're getting gaslit (Only the elites want Biden to step aside?) and being told "get in line or you're helping Trump somehow. " Meanwhile, Republicans are preparing to sue to keep Biden on the ballot in the event of a switch, because they know who they want to run against.

I hope I'm wrong and I hope he wins, since we're probably stuck with him on the ticket. Given that he's down 12 points from where he was in 2020 against Trump, where the swing states that gave Biden the election were only fractions of a percent in his favor, it's gonna take some kind of miracle. We don't have to be in this seemingly hopeless situation, but Biden's ego and stubbornness seem like they're gonna keep us here.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Historically protests are at the convention when the unpopular candidate is named.

Then the people who named the unpopular candidate blame the protests for the loss

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 3 points 4 months ago

People love to blame the people who make noise to warn about loss.

Cassandra of Greek legend was less cursed cause of a god but because no one wants to hear someone else be right about something they don't want to accept.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I agree with this message, but the 1968 Democratic National Convention protests were in part due to the nomination of Hubert Humphrey.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 months ago

In Chicago even.

[–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Honestly. The number of people just on this platform saying "nobody thinks biden should drop, you're wrong, you have no right to be upset with Biden's team, and anyone who says otherwise is a bot" is seriously making me wonder if that narrative itself is the one being pushed by bots to sow discord between us. Who honestly jumps directly to "bot or stupid, no other possible explanation" when they disagree with an opinion so clearly held by a substantial number of people with nuanced opinions.

Anyone paying attention would see that Biden, having won on razor margins in 2020, on promises of being a 1-term president, could not afford to lose ANY ground in democratic turnout. Every feeler they put out is coming back showing we have lost that ground substantially and Biden is utterly unable to campaign to gain it back. Anyone can be not Trump, not everyone can run an energetic campaign on their own merits, and that is overwhelmingly what motivates people to turn out to vote.

It's not a difficult connection to make and the assumption that bots would be the only ones to make an argument to replace Biden, after they ran a "primary" in which they hid Biden away from us and didn't let even anyone remotely viable run, is just such an uninformed and arrogant viewpoint to witness in such droves that I hardly believe it's real.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They don't have or need good arguments, they just need to run out the clock until "It's too late to change" becomes a legitimate argument.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I seriously wonder the same thing. People panicking and the response being to the people panicking
"don't worry no one is panicking cause he's a good pick"
feels like the psyop that helps the Republicans win.

I know it's just willful ignorance because they find this easier and less scary but like.... Are they just Trumpies?