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Nato members have pledged their support for an "irreversible path" to future membership for Ukraine, as well as more aid.

While a formal timeline for it to join the military alliance was not agreed at a summit in Washington DC, the military alliance's 32 members said they had "unwavering" support for Ukraine's war effort.

Nato has also announced further integration with Ukraine's military and members have committed €40bn ($43.3bn, £33.7bn) in aid in the next year, including F-16 fighter jets and air defence support.

The bloc's Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said: "Support to Ukraine is not charity - it is in our own security interest."

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[–] el_abuelo@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 months ago (7 children)

This sentiment makes me sad.

I chose .ml because it was smaller than .world (and that seemed to be the point of federation) but was also generic (my interests are very varied) and had great uptime, and didn't de-federate or had been de-federated by many instances. Now people say stuff like this and I feel the need to change instances because I don't want people to tar me with that brush (and I have been accused directly multiple times just because of my instances) but I feel conflicted because the whole point of this while thing was that we could be on any instance we liked and it shouldn't impact our "social standing". I'm disappointed in people that they can't judge a person by the content of their character rather than the instance they are on. And alas - I feel it's only a matter of time before I'm forced to change instance because of other people's prejudice.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

judge a person by the content of their character

forced to change instance because of other people's prejudice.

Sorry if I'm getting the wrong impression here, but the moderators with whom you choose to associate is pretty easy to change and not a part of who you are.

[–] el_abuelo@lemmy.ml -5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

This sentiment is exactly what I'm talking about.

I'm not associated with the moderators anymore than your average user of .world is associated with their's.

My point is, yes I can choose to change instance but why should I? Lemmy is meant to embody the best of us - and yet some of us are creating "us and them" situations.

[–] MolochAlter@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

I mean, we are.

Why would you join an instance where the mods don't align with your own preferences in terms of moderation?

If there were an instance where the mods were open nazis and banned any pro-LGBT posts, me being on that instance at the very least means I have no problem having to maintain that standard of conduct, if I don't actively co-sign it.

Having one or two mods who are cunts is one thing, having a whole mod/admin team with an explicit political agenda and line to toe is not the same.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

And you're associated with the mods in the same way that you're associated with the government representatives of your nation. And I can tell you from experience that even though I don't know the president or any of the representatives, I still get shit from people in other countries for the shit they do.

Yeah, it sucks that you're getting guilty by association, but that's just a base human trait and naivety about how humans behave won't change the fact that this shit is going to be part of any human-based micro-culture. The nice part about online communities, though, is it doesn't cost you your life savings to up and move to a more palatable location.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

That's the whole difference, though. I wouldn't make the same claim about moving to another country, for which switching costs are astronomical.

[–] el_abuelo@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

I'm not naive to that fact, I just don't like it.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago

Communities on .ml are moderated in a way that pisses people off, especially in regard to politics.

People that judge someone with an .ml name on an different instance and a different community are acting like clowns. They're just being lazy and/or prejudicial.

[–] FiskFisk33@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Eh, they use .ml to mean marxist-leninist. I have an inkling feeling you too would be wary if you saw a comment by "user@lemmy.nazi".

[–] el_abuelo@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

I was unaware of that when I posted this.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I feel conflicted because the whole point of this while thing was that we could be on any instance we liked and it shouldn't impact our "social standing".

I don't think that was ever the point of federation, especially with defederation as an option, specifically to deal with instances that don't follow generally accepted morays.

It sucks that you're going to have to abandon the instance you initially picked, but it happens to the best of us. I picked kbin initially, and abandoned that after a while due to the increasing toxicity, and the increasingly large lack of features or development by the one person doing it.

[–] MornsBarstool@startrek.website -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I might judge someone based off the usage of “tar me with that brush”

[–] highduc@lemmy.ml -4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Don't worry too much about it; downvote and move on.
My advice would be to just ignore people like that who rush to name calling without contributing anything to the discussion.
Just another asshole on the internet...

[–] Kedly@lemm.ee -4 points 4 months ago

Oh look, another .marxist-lennonist who served themselves up to my blocklist =D