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TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name

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[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That would be Kira. Although I don't think she was really bisexual either. The mirror universe Kira had like a narcissistic crush on non-mirror universe Kira if I remember correctly.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Oh, right, Mirror Kira definitely was, true. But our Kira was pretty focused on the one organ. I guess unless Odo counts as another gender.

[–] Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Odo is quite literally gender-fluid.

[–] usernamefactory@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

In a wordplay way, sure, but he consistently presents male. In contrast to the character who is literally referred to as “the female changeling”.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Yeah, he does quite literally identify as male.

[–] Infynis@midwest.social 1 points 4 months ago

Still takes a spirit of adventure at least

[–] the_artic_one@programming.dev 4 points 4 months ago

She has better chemistry with Keiko and Miles than she does with Odo.

[–] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I forgot the symbiote was a worm thing. They really only showed that in one episode if I remember correctly, and that was already a retcon from what they did in TNG originally. I was also confused by the trans part because the symbiote doesn't really have a gender identity, the host does.

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Her swapping genders is.....SOMETHING.

Lets just call it trans and go get a drink.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I find it telling that all they had to do in order to make being trans "acceptable" on TV was to make them be an alien species with an even more alien critter living inside them. And it worked, nobody ever questioned it even a little bit.

[–] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm totally fine with that. I just thought it was a confusing description at first because I forgot about the symbiote being a "worm" thing.

Also, I too love cheese...

[–] rivr@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Dax was Spock of DS9: a character who's wise and you can always rely on and who will help you with its experience. "Talk to me, Old Man" was the line aye. But of course both of its incarnations we could see weren't perfect - none of the DS9 characters were. They all had flaws, highs and downs and that was really nicely captured by the writers. Hell, that's why Ronald D Moore's Galactica worked and was popular because he incorporated similar character writing style.

Anyway, I could and I still can watch episode with Lenara Kahn without projecting our reality onto it - it's a tragic love story of two individuals separated by standards and customs, who play a dangerous game of breaking taboo set by the Trill society. Jadzia and Lenara suffered and so did Ezri when she arrived on the station - new there in this new environment and new body yet still the same among familiar faces. Again feeling the pressure of her home world and culture which she luckily withstand. Few times in the series writers dealt with how a joined individual is perceived, how that works on relations with people. The gender stuff never played back then any significant part of this species - maybe because show was overall written in a way audience didn't have to be explained or educated. Sure, the kiss scene was a controversial one but people moved on; neither in my country this particular episode and scene got any attention.

On the other hand, Discovery Trill plot was barely watchable to me because it was there just to fill quota set by today's media - there's of course a tragedy and love story but it all feels really superficial and forced. Not mention actors performance was poor but that applies to most of the characters in that show.

To sum this up, yes Trill symbionts are perceived for some reason as trans representation. But that is a totally anthropocentric view, from our real world, slapped onto the fictional universe with action set in the future.