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Biden says it’s ‘time to outlaw’ AR-15 after Trump assassination attempt
(www.independent.co.uk)
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Then you should probably be a little less judgy about what folks think they need to do to defend themselves within that bubble.
Since you aren't from the US, you may not be aware of Project 2025, but "some christofascist militia has me on my knees in front of a ditch" is a plausible eventual outcome for many over here if Trump gets in again.
no, he shouldn't be. folks in gun nut bubble don't need to defend themselves, they are just gun nuts, that's the whole point of the argument 😆
Hey I've got news for you - all the US is the gun nut bubble, and we all take the impacts from it, whether we own guns or not. You may have heard about our problems with school shootings, for example, or our police who are convinced everyone wants to kill them, and so open fire at the slightest provocation....
hey, i've got news for you as well - more guns is not a solution to the problem. more guns is the problem.
https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/10259683/mother_jones_gun_deaths_by_state.png
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/america-mass-shooting-gun-violence-statistics-charts
No one seems to get that I'm neither a gun owner nor enthusiast, but go ahead, keep them coming.
Maybe it is because no one cares what you are, and react to what you say.
They should react to what I'm saying and not what they think I am then.
How often are you shot at? Have many enemies trying to kill you? Grow up.
I'm not even a gun owner buddy, but I'm not going to pretend the world is going to stay safe for everyone who isn't (or can't pretend to be) a white cishet christian if Project 2025 comes to pass.
Edit: They are already ramping it up more, as if that were possible. They want to be ready to hit the ground running on Day 1 of Trump's second term. https://www.advocate.com/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-rnc
Yeah a ton of people will lose their rights with project 2025, but how does having a gun help you fix that? Are you talking about like civilization declining into groups of people killing each other in the streets?
Have you not followed the context of this discussion that led to this seeming disagreement we're now having? Please note, I am not the commenter in the picture below. I was explaining why someone would have this worry. If you think the worry is invalid or overblown, OK, I don't feel the need to argue with you about it.
I'm saying I dont see how guns will help you there either unless you plan to form your own militia I suppose.
Besides this is all based on unfounded fears, which I prefer not to base my decisions on. Seat belts make sense. Most examples of gun ownership do not.
While owning a gun might make someone feel safer, it absolutely increases the danger for those living in and around the house. I'm sure some situations mitigate that problem, and we could likely license those people to have guns.
Suburban family of four does not need a rifle and handgun for each family member. Its far more likely to hurt someone in the family than to be used in a defensive manner. Besides the fact that guns are stolen ALL THE TIME and then used in violent crimes.
The way we treat guns does not respect the power they provide and the multitude of uses they have, good or bad. People also have some false belief that making guns harder to get and more expensive would only affect legal owners. When a gun on the street goes for 300$ now its far easier to buy than if that same gun was worth 1000$ or 10000$, and contrary to popular belief people with severe mental disorders are not the target customer for a street dealer selling a gun.
If you want an argument about gun ownership you are talking to the wrong guy.
As to the rest - you can read the writing on the wall about what happens in the next Trump presidency or you can ignore it. I can't blame someone for wanting a better chance at self defense under those conditions though.