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Churchill, FDR, Stalin and Hitler were contemporaries, we're talking about history and ideology. It is perfectly reasonable to speak to an example scenario where his contemporary whom he tried to draw stark contrast in public media did the opposite of him.
I would say that the writers of FDRs biographies have definitely biased his historiography to the point where he's a "Great Man."
I would say they underappreciate the capitulation he was forced into with regards to the New Deal, and how he essentially appointed socialists to his cabinet to stop what he perceived was a potential Bolshevik style revolution. The same thing is essentially what happened with the FEPC where he made an agency specifically to "eliminate discrimination in the defense industry" he perceived a very real threat of black men marching on the capital in protest if they weren't provided equal protections and it would affect the war effort.
When asked about the "jewish problem" his plan to "spreading the jews thinly" across the world was arguably advocating for cultural genocide.
You could really look at most of what he did and see it does increase the non-segregated races average income, and thinks like infant mortality... these were all great, and things he wouldn't have even considered if he didn't think they would starve out the oncoming violence.
You can look right at one of the first things he did during his administration for this pattern of capitulating to what he perceived as dangerous political movements:
The first people to hear about the announced CCC jobs and available positions were the Bonus Army camp in Washington, D.C. It worked so well it basically ended the entire movement. Congress later (3 years) did it anyways, despite him vetoing it, but it's pretty clear he didn't consider their request. It's basically the very essence of the current Conservative "work for food" mentality with welfare programs.
So While I see that some of the historiography likes to paint him as a Great Man for some of the things he did, I would say he was a Great Politician, and a very average upper-class rich man for his time.