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Israeli army appears to be using Gaza hospital, school as bases, Washington Post reports (www.haaretz.com)

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Israeli soldiers appear to be using the Turkish-Palestinian Friendship Hospital in the Gaza Strip as a br for military operations, and, since March, also a school in the village of Juhor ad Dik, which is located about one kilometer from the border with Israel and was destroyed in the Israeli attack on the Gaza Strip, indicated by aerial photographs that the Washington Post published on Friday.

The report states that the satellite imagery documents the construction of earth berms around the hospital, which halted operations early in the war, in late November, and near the school in Juhor ad Dik in the second half of March.

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[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 103 points 2 years ago

So the terrorists really are hiding in schools and hospitals

[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 55 points 2 years ago

See? They fucking told you there were military bases in the hospitals and school, and you didn't believe them... /s

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 years ago

Amazing how it keeps being them that built them

[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 34 points 2 years ago

Well well well. How the turn tables. /s

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago

Fun fact, this makes them valid military targets. Hamas would be fully justified in attacking them.

[-] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago

Archived link.

[-] capital@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The report states that the satellite imagery documents the construction of earth berms around the hospital, which halted operations early in the war

Is now a hospital in name only. /yawn.

Imagine how shitty it would be to make an active hospital a valid military target…

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Imagine how shitty it would be to make an active hospital a valid military target…

Now imagine how shitty it would be to attack a hospital without it being a valid military target.

Israel is truly Nazi level evil.

[-] capital@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Link to what you're referring to?

Edit:

This is who Israel is fighting. Civilian suffering is the point for Hamas.

GAZA CITY The emergency room in Shifa Hospital is often a place of gore and despair. On Thursday, it was also a lesson in the way ordinary people are squeezed between suicidal fighters and a military behemoth.

Dr. Awni al-Jaru, 37, a surgeon at the hospital, rushed in from his home here, dressed in his scrubs. But he came not to work. His head was bleeding, and his daughter’s jaw was broken.

He said Hamas militants next to his apartment building had fired mortar and rocket rounds. Israel fired back with force, and his apartment was hit. His wife, Albina, originally from Ukraine, and his 1-year-old son were killed.

“My son has been turned into pieces,” he cried. “My wife was cut in half. I had to leave her body at home.” Because Albina was a foreigner, she could have left Gaza with her children. But, Dr. Jaru lamented, she would not leave him behind.

A car arrived with more patients. One was a 21-year-old man with shrapnel in his left leg who demanded quick treatment. He turned out to be a militant with Islamic Jihad. He was smiling a big smile.

“Hurry, I must get back so I can keep fighting,” he told the doctors.

He was told that there were more serious cases than his, that he needed to wait. But he insisted. “We are fighting the Israelis,” he said. “When we fire we run, but they hit back so fast. We run into the houses to get away.” He continued smiling.

“Why are you so happy?” this reporter asked. “Look around you.”

A girl who looked about 18 screamed as a surgeon removed shrapnel from her leg. An elderly man was soaked in blood. A baby a few weeks old and slightly wounded looked around helplessly. A man lay with parts of his brain coming out. His family wailed at his side.

“Don’t you see that these people are hurting?” the militant was asked.

“But I am from the people, too,” he said, his smile incandescent. “They lost their loved ones as martyrs. They should be happy. I want to be a martyr, too.”

https://web.archive.org/web/20230530025152/http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/09/world/09fighter.html

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Man pulls up with a link from 2009 as evidence that Hamas was in this hospital LMAO.

[+] capital@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago

This is clearly a straw man argument and, notably, an avoidance of providing a link to further explain what you're referring to, for some reason.

As my clearly marked edit says, the link and excerpt provided is meant to demonstrate the type of civilian suffering which is the point for Hamas and was clearly not meant as evidence that Hamas was in "this hospital". It's tough to even try to say Hamas was in "this hospital" seeing as you haven't provided any more context for what you're referring to. For some reason.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Can you show me the evidence of Hamas using the hospital as a base?

Look I can do that. Here's evidence for Nazisrael using the hospital as a military base

[-] capital@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm still not clear on what Israeli strike on a hospital you were originally referring to. Feel free to expand on that at any point.

Re: This picture: Refer to my original, top-level comment.

The whole point for keeping military ops out of schools, hospitals, and away from civilians is to not make them a valid target for the opposing force (assuming they abide by these rules, which Hamas does not). If this hospital is now devoid of doctors, patients, and other civilians, what's the issue? It's just a building now.

Your feigned ignorance of how Hamas' whole goal is to inflict as much harm on their own civilians is tiring and the whole reason I posted that 2009 article.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago

Got anything that's not 15 years old?

[-] capital@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago

I can see I'm not actually going to get any specifics out of you here.

I'll let this exchange speak for itself for those that come by later.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Mh interesting so no evidence nor anything of substance like me being able to provide video evidence of israeli soldiers committing the war crimes they are accused of.

[+] jet@hackertalks.com -29 points 2 years ago

the article says the hospital isn't active 'halted operations early in the war'

This would mean that the IDF isn't using a active hospital as a shield for military operations.

I get the temptation is to say 'Hey the IDF is doing exactly what they said Hamas was doing', but the key is active hospital for a apples to apples comparison.

There is no shortage of war crimes to get upset about, but to make a inaccurate comparison gives ammunition to the genocide supporters to discredit the reports of genuine crimes against humanity.

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 42 points 2 years ago

Yeah, no. Shilling for the IDF is a bad look.

They bombed the hospitals and are denying health care while occupying the health care facilities. So instead of "hiding behind patients" bullshit, it is denying the ability to treat patients.

Not being exactly the same is not as important as the fact that they are running military operations from a hospital.

[+] jet@hackertalks.com -24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It doesn't matter if its a bad look, it gives the apologists ammunition to undermine all of the valid and critical war crime reporting.

The IDF is operating from a former hospital site, which is terrible - it isn't, however, the same as using a active hospital and patients as a human shield for military operations - which is what the IDF claimed Hamas was doing.

Going around and saying the IDF is doing what they said Hamas was doing, when there is a critical difference, will undermine all reporting of the IDF war crimes.

fact that they are running military operations from a hospital.

The complaint here isn't 'They are denying a hospital' it's clearly meant to trigger outrage 'look at this MFers doing exactly what they accused Hamas of doing using human shields' ..... from a hospital implies its a active hospital, not a deactivated former hospital site.

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 21 points 2 years ago

It doesn’t matter if its a bad look, it gives the apologists ammunition to undermine all of the valid and critical war crime reporting.

Any criticism gives apologists ammunition because they twist everything and lie. What stupid fucking reason not to call bad actors out on their bullshit.

You are being an apologist for the IDF right now.

[-] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 15 points 2 years ago

The fact that there aren't patients seems immaterial. The rules against this aren't predicated on how many patients are inside.

By militarizing the hospital, they've made it a target, which you're not supposed to do. That's essential infrastructure. That's jeopardizing that critical infrastructure by using it as a shield.

It's not good.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

Yeah strange that Palestinians just abandoned this hospital for no reason. I wonder how the IDF stumbled onto an empty hospital they are using as their base to commit war crimes.

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