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[โ€“] AcidOctopus@lemmy.ml 147 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I only use it because there's no way I could convince my friends and family to move to anything else.

There's no point in switching to another app if I then literally couldn't communicate with the people I need to through it.

[โ€“] Dave 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

I've been using Beeper a month or two. They had a long waiting list, and initially it was subscription only, but they are working on smashing through the waiting list and have changed to a freemium model where you get it for free and (eventually) they will have extra features for subscribers.

Basically, it's one chat app that connects to lots of different chat services.

If you're technical, the app is a fork of Element, and the service uses matrix bridges to connect to different chat services, but it's all presented in a (somewhat) polished way. The wait list is because they are still struggling with scaling and quirks but if you're on Lemmy you're probably already well familiar with putting up with this.

It covers heaps of chat networks. Whatsapp, Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, Signal, Telegram, and more. It also will let you SMS (unlike Signal ๐Ÿ˜ฌ).

You can also connect to Matrix rooms but you don't seem to be able to connect to an existing Matrix account (it uses a Beeper matrix account to connect).

It doesn't do video/audio calls so they recommend you leave the original app installed and disable message notifications (but leave on call notifications) if you use this.

[โ€“] crystal@feddit.de 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

app is closed source :/

Looks cool though

[โ€“] Dave 16 points 1 year ago

Yep. But if you're keen on this stuff, you can self host matrix and the bridges and do it yourself. Their bridges are open source, just not their apps whose features are their business model.

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[โ€“] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 126 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Wait until you hear how many people use facebook messenger.

[โ€“] 7777AKA@lemm.ee 110 points 1 year ago (9 children)
[โ€“] El_Rocha@lm.put.tf 31 points 1 year ago (15 children)

The thing it's missing the most is better multi device support and an updated desktop client.

For me, I think Matrix is more complete (specially since it backs-up your chats and media encrypted). The only thing it's lacking (at least Element specific) is encrypted chat search support on mobile.

[โ€“] ReadyUser30@beehaw.org 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What matrix is missing is anyone that I know. Ultimately that is way more important than features in a messaging client.

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[โ€“] Asswaterpirate@lemmy.world 71 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I wish people would stop using the Crowder meme template.

[โ€“] littlecolt@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[โ€“] ICastFist@programming.dev 66 points 1 year ago (24 children)

Eh, whatsapp isn't ideal and its owner is one of the big devils of today, but it's the only way to send and receive instant messages among billions of people. I despise it, but it's the only way I can contact people. Needless to say, they don't give a single flying fuck about privacy.

Whatsapp outages make people migrate to Telegram for 1-2 days at most, nobody ends up staying there. Signal? I've only ever met three other people in RL who have even heard of it, and I work in IT.

A more apt comparison would be to languages. Whatsapp is english: clunky, weird, full of nonsense, but it's what "everyone talks". Signal would probably be lojban or esperanto.

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[โ€“] archchan@lemmy.ml 50 points 1 year ago (5 children)

SMS is IE, Whatsapp is Chrome, and Signal is Firefox. Use Signal/Firefox.

[โ€“] scoobford@lemmy.one 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I disagree. IE was incredibly proprietary, and SMS is at least an open standard.

IE is...idk Facebook messenger or Imessage or something.

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[โ€“] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 46 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Chrome is the Internet Explorer of the browsers.

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[โ€“] Stephbro@feddit.nl 45 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Look, I hate Facebook just as much as the next guy. But I live in The Netherlands and it's the primary way I can contact literally everyone I know. So changing to another messaging app is hard here.

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[โ€“] Phegan@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Steven Crowder is a garbage human and doesn't deserve a meme template

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[โ€“] SeaJ@lemm.ee 43 points 1 year ago

Steven Crowder is the wife abuser of the meme world.

[โ€“] Joris@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nah. SMS and iMessage are the IE of messaging. Unsafe and locked in.

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[โ€“] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 40 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Fuck Steven Crowder and any meme based on his bullshit

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[โ€“] gunpachi@lemmings.world 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In some countries like India, people just assume that everyone uses whatsapp. It's gotten to the point where whatsapp has become the definition of messaging (for most people).

I don't see how Whatsapp is outdated to the point where one would compare it to IE, but I'll say whatsapp is more like Google Chrome than IE.

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[โ€“] progettarsi@feddit.it 36 points 1 year ago (21 children)

signal and telegram are so much better, don't know why we can't get over that shit app

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[โ€“] blueskiesoc@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[โ€“] Amilo159@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Except it does nearly everything any other messaging app does, so there really is no need to force a switch. Unlike Internet Explorer, that used outdated rendering engine making it both slow and buggy, it was unsafe as it used ActiveX, didn't support ad-blockers it actually broke or didn't open most new website.

[โ€“] to55@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 1 year ago (7 children)

WhatsApp seems very conservative with adding new features. I generally feel the features they do decide to add are all pretty useful. Telegram on the other hand doesn't ever seem to slow down with the new features. Many of them seem great, but just as many I would never use. I'm still wondering why Telegram won't introduce end-to-end encryption as a default.

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[โ€“] iamak@infosec.pub 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

I hope that the DMA gets passed in the EU. It'll (hopefully) break the monopoly worldwide

[โ€“] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Interoperability is a weird one though. Imagine WhatsApp can connect to Signal, and people use this feature. What would then be the point of using Signal, if WhatsApp gets the data after all?

(Signal has already announced not wanting to support this, I just used it as an example)

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[โ€“] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 25 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Its privacy is very questionable, but how is it outdated?

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[โ€“] WiildFiire@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Op thinks only the USA exists apparently

[โ€“] covert_czar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[โ€“] Twelve20two@slrpnk.net 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can we further compress this meme template to the point that nobody could possibly tell it's Stephen Crowder in it

[โ€“] jannis@feddit.de 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

here you go:

it's 5.6 kB webp

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[โ€“] kaden_99@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I never have any problems Whatsapp. My messages get sent and I receive messages no problem.

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[โ€“] vox@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I'd say Viber is worse (unbearably slow, has ads), and it's the most used messaging app in Ukraine which just sucks. (basically everyone has it)
people are slowly switching over to Telegram but it still has less then 50% market share...

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[โ€“] zwekihoyy@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Matrix or Signal only for me. nobody uses Whatsapp here in the states, sms is simply insecure in every way, and telegram has very suspicious roots imo, along with a lack of e2ee and a terrible ui.

signal is the most secure option and matrix is federated making it the most "open" option.

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[โ€“] WaterChi@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whatsapp is still supported

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[โ€“] criticon@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Someone has not used Line...

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[โ€“] June@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Iโ€™ve somehow never used WhatsApp.

[โ€“] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You must not be from Europe or Brazil then

pls send help
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