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[-] OhmsLawn@lemmy.world 72 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I just automatically downvote shit like this.

"...legal analyst predicts."

I don't disagree, but come on. It's a filler article.

[-] meco03211@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

"Hey ~~mindless zombie~~ valued customer. We noticed you thought about putting your phone down. Here's an article to stroke your ego. ~~Resistance is futile~~ Thanks!"

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Article title: Judge SLAMS Donald, fascism is on the ropes, prison looming.

Article body: today a Judge meekly begged Donald to stop asking his insurrectionists to murder the court clerks. A legal expert claims that maybe if Donald continues doing so he could be fined potentially $1,000 and possibly asked again to stop. Also next time might be a more stern tone of voice.

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 62 points 2 years ago

There is always a possibility of a hung jury due to a die hard Trump fanatic on the jury. But barring that, he will be found guilty. This is a documents case where there is no room for interpretation. It doesn't matter that Cohen is a liar. It doesn't matter that the defense sabotaged itself. Guilt was a foregone conclusion - to the extent it can be given a presumption of innocence.

It's like putting a color on trial for being red. You can bring in all the experts to call it pink or magenta, or question whether eyes are even real, but at the end of the day there's a legal definition and either the color matches or it doesn't.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That’s not entirely correct. Part of the prosecution’s case is tying Cohen’s compensation as Trump’s personal attorney to compensating him for laying out the money for the hush money payments. Cohen claims that he agreed to worked as the President’s personal attorney for free, and payments received during that period were in fact compensation for his payments to Daniels. That piece of the case is directly dependent on Cohen’s credibility as a witness, which is why the defense focused so heavily on discrediting him.

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago

There is very clear documentary evidence of what happened, no matter how big a liar Cohen is. I mean I certainly simplified it, but not by much. Correction and clarification always welcome, of course, so thank you for adding this.

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[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This just made me think of a world where everyone has some sort of colorblindness and can't see a color, except this one person who can who used it, but the color is outlawed, so there's a trial of all color blind people and are being told it's this color, but aside from a computer giving a hex code for it, they can't see it and have to rely on this computer output over their own eyes.

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[-] MrNesser@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago

Even if they convict its doubtful he will see the inside of a cell.

[-] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

It would be pretty insane if Cohen does time, and the person ordering him to do the crime does not. Of course, par for the course in the US justice system, but nevertheless crazy.

[-] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 years ago

Yeah my understanding is that this crime pretty universally leads to a fine and limitation of business activities, not prison time.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

if he were given imprisonment as a sentence, it would be, at most, a few months, and he'd most likely be able to serve it under house arrest (e.g., in Trump Tower).

probably...

[-] MrNesser@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

With no access to cell phones or the Internet please

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

pfft, that jerk will set up his own tv studio in his penhous and broadcast non-stop.

ugh....

[-] Badeendje@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

A podcast like Giuliani.. it would be a shit show of epic proportions.

[-] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 28 points 2 years ago

If Trump had allowed his lawyers to mount the best defense they could, he'd probably have a decent chance at complete acquittal or a hung jury.

Instead he forced them to perform a "defense" aimed at his base and maybe some people with "soft" dislike of him and most importantly aimed at hurting his "enemies" and puffing up his ego.

I did hear a persuasive argument that he might be acquitted on the charges related to checks he didn't personally sign (his sons signed instead) but get convicted on the checks he did sign. From what was reported that means it's possible the first 10 verdicts will be "not guilty" and the last 20+ will be "guilty."

I actually sort of hope that's what happens because 1) it will prove the jury wasn't out to get him and 2) he'll be feeling really good for those first verdicts then get gut punched for the last ones.

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

Waiting to hear if this ACTUALLY makes him ineligible to run again then.

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago

You know what's crazy? We don't allow convicted felons to vote, but with trump we are told there's no law preventing him holding the office. Bananas.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

I mean, I think you may not ylkow this, but it's important for people with felonies to both be able to vote and run for office.

I'm not arguing you should vote for them, but if this weren't the case, all a administration would need to tldo is convict their political opponents of felonies to effectively capture the state. For example, Bidens administration could have been far more aggressive in going after Trump specifically to prevent him from running. Maybe we think that's a good thing. But reverse the roles. Maybe Trump goes after DNC hopefuls for felonies in the run up to 2020. The knife cuts both ways.

We shouldn't view what is legal or illegal based on a given administrative and judicial configuration as monolithic. Our system needs to be able to mechanistically check itself against corruption. In many ways that's currently failing, but you can see how it's at least built into the basic structure of the system.

[-] ares35@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago

being a convicted felon would make him eminently more qualified to be a republican candidate for office.

[-] vegeta@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

He can still run even if convicted

[-] MxM111@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

But not vote! One vote down.

[-] riskable@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

Oh he'll still vote, providing the justice system yet another opportunity to demonstrate how it isn't even remotely fair or just.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

Even if he is convicted and imprisoned, he can still run. It’s crazy.

[-] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

All Congress needs to do is vote and fail to reach a supermajority vote to remove the cloud on his candidacy, and he'd be completely barred from office. We've all seen him engage in insurrection. They could vote to requalify him too, but the numbers aren't there.

That's how it would work if republicans weren't a mob of Russian puppets.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

It does not.

[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

Who decides how much, if at all, prison sentence Trump will get? Is there a minimum sentence? Since the judge sounded like he didn't want to put Trump in jail.

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 16 points 2 years ago

The judge decides. There is no minimum. Trump is a first time offender. If he was a random guy off the street (let's stipulate white for, you know, reasons) it would be very likely he'd get a sentence that doesn't include prison. Given his high profile, let's be honest there is no chance he'll do time over this.

But he will be a felon, likely on probation, so there are consequences associated with that. I believe the classified documents case is actually a much bigger threat to him (unless Cannon succeeds in finding a way to let him escape it).

The judge is no fan of Trump, but yes, he didn't want to put Trump in jail during the trial for contempt. There was a good reason, because that may be misused by Trump's team on appeal to suggest the judge biased the jury against Trump or that the judge was himself biased. I agree with prioritizing tactics to avoid any delay or unforced errors that Trump's team will certainly try to exploit.

After a guilty verdict, I assume the judge will decide the sentencing, and I don't see a reason to hold back. Of course, we've all been disappointed before.

[-] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago

There's a 0% chance Trump sees the inside of a cell due to this trial.

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

The judge. The jury decides if the defendant is guilty or not and then the judge comes up with the sentence.

[-] vegeta@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago
[-] tsonfeir@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Does this one get jail time? Would a black person get jail time?

[-] Sc00ter@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

Well, ya see, this is a white collar crime. They call it that for a reason

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago
[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

This is literally the first conviction opportunity...

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Ignore these losers. When he is convicted, they will say "he won't be sentenced to anything". When he is sentenced they will say "it's not long enough".

This dude will probably be under home arrest with an ankle bracelet in two years. I'm only unsure of the ankle bracelet. I think the Secret Service can keep an eye on him.

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 9 points 2 years ago

applying common sense

We're fucking doomed... 😩

[-] p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

And it'll do JACK SHIT. Don't be shocked when he worms out of it like the cockroach he is

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 6 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Legal analyst and attorney Glenn Kirschner predicted on Friday that the jury "will convict Donald Trump" in his criminal hush money trial.

Kirschner said in a YouTube video on Wednesday that there's a "mountain" of corroborating evidence against the former president, referencing witness testimonies, business records, and reimbursement checks.

Criminal defense lawyer and former federal prosecutor Rocco Cipparone told Newsweek in a phone interview on Saturday morning that "if you're not in a courtroom daily and you can't observe the nuances of what go on, including like witnesses' credibility and things like that...it's hard to predict."

Cohen is a disbarred lawyer who previously pleaded guilty to tax evasion, bank fraud, campaign finance violations, and lying to Congress.

Meanwhile, former U.S. attorney and law professor at University of Michigan, Barbara McQuade, told Newsweek in an email on Thursday, that "it is always difficult to predict what juries might do because they each come to court with their own experiences and worldviews, and because they had the advantage of seeing up close every moment of the trial."

"I recognize that this is the worst possible jury pool for Trump," Turley wrote, presumably due to the former president's previous low polling in New York City.


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[-] mister_monster@monero.town 5 points 2 years ago

It's a news article about a YouTube video. Did the journos run out of twitter posts to write articles about or something?

[-] nkat2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago
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