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[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 252 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

No one expects a state official to mention the fucking Inquisition to defend their own crimes against humanity.

[–] livus@kbin.social 87 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Ikr! Pretty sure its a reference to the Spanish Inquisition's expulsion of Jewish people in the 1490s.

In other words it's not just super random whataboutism, it's also a dogwhistle to the "chosen people versus antisemitic rest of the world" narrative that Netanyahu et al use to drum up support from their base.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 60 points 5 months ago

Israel's cries of victimhood were already starting to wear thin when it was focused on the Holocaust. Yes, it was a terrible tragedy, but it's 80 years ago at this point - very, very few people are left that were directly involved and the circumstances have changed significantly since then. But going back over five hundred years to try to find "gotchas" is just sad and counterproductive.

People are suffering right now and being persecuted right now, and it has nothing to do with the Inquisition or the Nazis.

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[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 203 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Terrorist state Israel threatens violence to enact political goals.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 40 points 5 months ago

The real title right there

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 142 points 5 months ago (15 children)

Israel is making life very dangerous for Jews the rest of the world over, including myself. They want to make it sound like all Jews are Israelis because it helps their cause. Which, of course, suggests that all Jews favor genocide and that emboldens bigots.

And here we go again. Spain isn't persecuting Jews.

[–] Why9@lemmy.world 40 points 5 months ago (1 children)

On September 11, some Saudis attacked the World Trade Centre. America retaliated by going to war with Afghanistan, found they had nothing of value, and then Rumsfeld said since Iraq has oil, they should go after them instead. The unprovoked attack and illegal war that still, to this day, has had zero repurcussions against Bush, Blair and the rest who started it, and caused individuals from militant faction groups to rise up and attack those nations in the form of terrorist attacks, perpetuating a cycle of hate and loss.

More than twenty years later, uneducated people still fail to see the distinction between individual terrorists and an entire people who follow Islam. Islamophobia is on the rise right now simply because people are protesting the war in Gaza, and still equating those protesters to the terrorism from years prior.

I say all this because I can see how hate, and in your case, antisemitism lingers. Your actions are not that of the IDF, your words are not the same as aggrevators like Ben Gvir and your policies are not the same as Netenyahu's, but because you're Jewish, those things are all the same now in the eyes of many uneducated people.

It was the same with idiots attacking random (elderly!?) Chinese civilians on the street as a result of COVID lockdowns. The blame lies chiefly with the media and its incendiary bias towards all things that don't align with their backward views, and allowing people like Trump to stand on a podium and address millions of people with lies and baseless claims.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago (3 children)

What happened to Muslims in America after 9/11 was disgusting and sickening and I felt so terrible for them when it happened and still do, which is why I know that this bigotry is unlikely to be coming from them. They know what it's like.

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[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

FWIW, Fuck Israel, free Palestine - but you and other Jews got a friend in me.

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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Remember all the fruitcakes saying a secret cabal of Jews runs the world? Israel is surely pumping them up and their outside influence on our politicians is making it look even worse.

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 108 points 5 months ago

It’s totally antisemitic if you ask us to stop while we’re genociding!

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 97 points 5 months ago (5 children)
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[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 91 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Israel and Russia acting pretty much the same way at the moment. Yet most of the Western world supports one while condemning the other.

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 41 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

I don't know anyone outside of the political class and a few right wing nutters that supports israel, especially after the images coming out of rafah in the last few days

edit: even my daily heil reading "shoot em in the channel" relative was perturbed

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[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 82 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Israel dismisses any and all criticism, and always complains about medieval history as an ad hominem attack. Turkey complains about Israel killing Turkish civilians? Israel replies something about Turkey mistreating Armenians. German government complains about mistreatment of Palestinians? Call them modern Nazis. Now Spain gets derided as something from nearly 600 years ago.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 77 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I'm sorry, are you comparing Spain to a religious crusade when you're literally in the middle of genociding an ethnicity and their religion? You're fucking insane Israel.

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[–] mycathas9lives@lemmy.world 70 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They are in the mood to fight everybody. They no longer care about optics. Genocide without borders to be continued.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 40 points 5 months ago (13 children)

As long as the US backs them up they feel invincible. I'm sure the nukes help, too. They're like Russia.

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[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 65 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Not only is the inquisition over, but Spain is welcoming Sephardic Jews and offers them citizenship. This is how one Palestinian refugee from Yaffa got Spanish citizenship.

A 26-year-old lecturer in architecture at Birmingham City University, Iskandarani has been stateless for most of her life, possessing only a Lebanese travel document that defines her as a Palestinian refugee.

But after discovering that her Palestinian father had Jewish roots going back to Spain, Iskandarani was able to claim Spanish citizenship thanks to a 2015 law that promised to naturalize anyone whose Jewish ancestors fled the Spanish Inquisition.

“Absurdly our conversion to Islam got us exiled from Jaffa yet again for again being of different religion and ethnicity,” she wrote. “Quite ironic don’t you think being exiled twice for the exact same reason?”

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[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 62 points 5 months ago

Comparing the current ruling party in Spain with the inquisition is specially ironic, if you know that they voted in favor of granting the descendants of the Sephardic Jews expelled by the Inquisition the Spanish nationality if they applied for it, less than 10 years ago.

https://religionnews.com/2014/02/17/sephardic-jews-eager-apply-spanish-citizenship/

If anything, you could argue that this created an Islamophobic or Pro-Jewish double standard, since the descendants of Muslims expelled by the inquisition weren't granted that right.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 60 points 5 months ago

Israel threatening to 9/11 spain for telling them to stop doing a genocide.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 56 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The Spanish Inquisition is over.... now begins the Isreali Inquisition.

Sigh.

[–] ODuffer@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago

Ha, everyone expects the Israeli inquisition..

[–] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 51 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Such empty threats. I'd love to see them try to attack an European nation, their support in the west would end literally instantly.

[–] beefbot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They’d probably still be allowed into Eurovision though 🙃

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[–] RockyC@lemm.ee 50 points 5 months ago (16 children)

Fuck Israel right in the ass with a 2x4.

They have become the very genocidal monster that they were once the victims of.

Fuck Israel.

[–] tekila@lemmy.world 44 points 5 months ago (14 children)

Israel was never the Nazis' victim, Jewish people were. Israel is not equal to Jewish people and this is doing a huge disservice to all the Jewish people around the world fighting against this colonial state.

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[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 44 points 5 months ago (34 children)

Weird just a few days earlier they said Spain should look to the time of Muslim rule in southern Spain for atrocities against Jews. Which there weren't Jewish people and culture prospered under the Muslim rule and then got pogromed when the Christians took back over. Now they refer to exactly that.

It is weird that Israel is hellbent not only on revisionism for its own history, but other peoples history too. Or rather it is pretty straight forward as Israel is a fascist colonial entity and shares its interest in revisionism with the Nazis and other colonial genociders.

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 25 points 5 months ago

Which there weren’t Jewish people and culture prospered under the Muslim rule and then got pogromed when the Christians took back over.

It's incredibly difficult to overstate how damn correct you are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_of_Jewish_culture_in_Spain

7-8 centuries of Muslim rule, and Jews become renowned as artisans and philosophers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Jews_from_Spain

The Catholic kings finish conquering the last bastion of Muslims in Iberia, and immediately next they tell all Muslims and Jews to either convert to Christianity or to flee the peninsula, because they aren't going to like what's planned for them next. A very different ruler in Europe welcomed them, however:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Ottoman_Empire

Basically, the Turks managed to help Constantinople regain some of the economic importance it had gained during the centuries of collapse of the Byzantine Empire because they welcomed Jewish artisans that had been kicked out of Iberia.

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[–] qprimed@lemmy.ml 44 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

israel has become the very definition of a rogue nation.

...exactly what the us wants from its middle east attack dog.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 44 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

How dare they threaten one of the few democracies in the Iberian Peninsula! Spain has a right to defend itself.

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[–] StaySquared@lemmy.world 36 points 5 months ago

lol Netanyahu is begging for the entire world to hate Israel.

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 36 points 5 months ago

I can no longer take anything the Israeli government says seriously.

[–] Aux@lemmy.world 35 points 5 months ago

Bring it on, you fucking genocidal piece of shit!

[–] mineralfellow@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.

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[–] small44@lemmy.world 29 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Israel have trouble defeating hamas which is not even the stronger group and they think they could really threaten another country?

[–] corus_kt@lemmy.world 32 points 5 months ago (3 children)

It's probably intentional though, Bibi wants to prolong the conflict to stay in power. It was the main reason he got elected back then after all.

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 5 months ago (3 children)

threatening a nato state should go over well

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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (10 children)

This isn't the funniest bit so far, the funniest bit is that Netanyahu's is now meeting with Spain's far-right, the party that attracts real antisemites. Of course, they are truly anti-semitic, as in hating anything recognizably brown enough and not just colozioniolists changing names from Mileikowsky to Netanyahu, so I'm sure they would love a repeat of the Haavara Agreement anyway with a leader they clearly share a lot of values with.

[–] ProvableGecko@lemmy.world 32 points 5 months ago

Neo-nazis banded up with zionists to attack US college student encampments. These right-wing zionists wield antisemitism as a shield while they accomplish their zionist agenda and throw in together with whomever is willing to ally with them. They even freely admit it.

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[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 25 points 5 months ago

soaring to new heights of hypocrisy, Israel is acting as an inquisition in Palestine and crusading there.

[–] sapetoku@sh.itjust.works 24 points 5 months ago (3 children)

146 countries recognize Palestine as a sovereign state so I guess Netanyahu will declare WW3 on his own.

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[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago

Is this a deceleration of war? If the inquisition is over, why is Israel continuing their inquisition?

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago

wow what a way to summarise all the things you have been doing for the last year

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