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[–] montechristo@feddit.de 47 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Entropy is not a state, it's a conjugate variable

(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

[–] Slovene@feddit.nl 31 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Woah, calm down. ┬⁠─⁠┬⁠ノ⁠(⁠ಠ⁠_⁠ಠ⁠ノ⁠)

[–] montechristo@feddit.de 22 points 6 months ago

You're right. Sorry ( ꈍᴗꈍ)

[–] troglodytis@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

You're in a state

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 38 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I quite literally made an entire presentation about how cleaning your room speeds up the universes inevitable heat death. I stand by this.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 24 points 6 months ago (2 children)

So by creating less entropy locally you create more entropy universally. From this we can conclude:

Order is Chaos

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago

Or is chaos order that is so highly ordered that it appears disordered???

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Order is Chaos

Sounds like Heresy to me.

ALRIGHT FIRE!

Repeated forehead smashing against giant red exterminatus button

[–] pugsnroses77@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago

lmao i need to see that

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Isn't heat death of the universe the most uniform energy distribution? When entropy is at its maximum, it means every point has the same energy as every other point, so it can't move and do useful work. Partial entropy is the chaotic part, then everything settles in order again

[–] montechristo@feddit.de 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

In principle you're right, but there's an important distinction: Maximal entropy corresponds to a uniform probability distribution. It's the configuration where we have lost all information, i.e. are most clueless.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

Ah, I'm in that state every day then :)

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 months ago

Further, organizing my laundry would reduce the local entropy, which would necessitate raising the overall entropy of the rest of the universe. In essence, I'm helping to stave off the heat death of the universe by not putting my laundry away. You're welcome.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

It's not messy, it's holistic storage

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Why then are all living things trying to work against entropy?

I am not just talking about human intelligence or behaviour, but every single living thing is trying to organise chaos into a habitable frame for themselves to survive and expand. Survival of the most symmetrical or whatever.

The point is... Why did every atom in the universe arrange to make cells to make organisms to make life to make intelligent life to counter entropy, if it was just entropy happening? Some say that life is just a temporary disease, but then why do these functions even exist, if they're not "supposed" to be used?

I don't think "the universe" has a say. Shit just happens, and it doesn't have an explicit reason to be chaos nor structured. Both are extreme cases of idealistic outcomes. If we assume that either will succeed, we have to ask what happens "after" and also "before" the universe.

I used too many double quotation marks. That's because quite frankly, I think it's a contemporary lullaby storyline. We won't ever know.

[–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'm still not putting the laundry away.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

if you leave it in the dryer it is "away" and you're the one who put it there.
Therefore...

[–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 months ago

Look at me overachieving

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 3 points 6 months ago

That's fine. The socks don't match anyway

[–] i_love_FFT@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago

Entropy and complexity are not quite the same thing.

Low entropy is every Lego pieces separated by color and size, high entropy is every Lego pieces mixed up together evenly. Complex creations correspond to medium entropy.

If you compute actions of living beings, you'll realize it acts as a catalyst to increase entropy.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

It's Blue. From the outside.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

So wie die Ordnung stets ins Chaos geht,

wenn keine Kraft dagegen steht,

so herrscht das Chaos nie allein:

Es braucht die Ordnung, um zu sein.

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

I've unlocked the secrets of the universe: two baskets