"Somehow Palpatine returned"
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Comedy gold. Literally in the opening crawl and then some background character was like "I don't know, dark force powers, cloning or some shit" and that was all we got 🤣
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Watch that and then the "By Grabthar's Hammer, what a savings" line from Galaxy Quest.
It's the exact same pained expression, but Oscar Isaac's is real.
Definitely needed explained better (or at all).
I don't really mind it as a plot twist, but it shouldn't have just come out of nowhere. I'm still not clear on exactly what is supposed to have happened there.
Also, there was that weird thing where they announced it in Fortnite, wtf was that about.
I agree that it’s a pretty bad idea to bring back Palpatine, and that the execution of that idea was also really bad, but this idea has been in the Star Wars universe for a long time - in the early 90s the Dark Empire comics were all about a clone of the emperor secretly working to assemble a powerful industrial and military machine in the galactic core, before going on a crusade to restore the galactic empire, with Luke Skywalker as his new enforcer, to replace Dark Vader.
The comics were and are extremely popular and a lot of the sequel movies seem to pull some ideas from them, but never in a way that really makes sense. For example, in Dark Empire, the republic has to deal with a mysterious new military force conducting heavy strip mining of planets long before they know anything of the new imperial threat.
It’s well known (and good) trait of Star Wars movies that they jump straight into the action without too much context, but the writing on episode 9 was so sloppy it feels amateurish. I’m not exaggerating when I say that I believe they could have got a fanfic author to do a better job. Delivering exposition like “somehow, palpatine has returned” directly to the audience is a fucking joke.
To be fair, though, I think the scenes on Exegol pretty much confirm that it was cloning, or some kind of Sith alchemy, and subsequent works (the Mandalorian, for example) are definitely leading in that direction, but that’s a post-hoc explanation for something that already damaged our immersion, not foreshadowing or a further explanation of something that was already plausible but a mystery.
I do think it’s a really good thing to have mystery in Star Wars, not everything needs to be explained and every new story should add new mysteries. I think things being mentioned and not explained (the Clone Wars mentioned in ep 4 being the best example of that, imo) is part of what makes the universe feel vast and real, like it has a full history that you could study for years. So I don’t agree with that “an intriguing story hook is shown and never explored” is always fair criticism. Sometimes it is, but often it’s just a cool mystery that will inevitably be answered in some minor novel or comic a few years later.
Anyways, I’m not saying they should have copied Dark Empire, or demonstrate/explain exactly how Palpatine returned or how he built his fleet. They should have just hinted at it by having the resistance interact with a new military force with a different aesthetic than the New Order. Have Rey bothered by a growing darkness that she assumes is Kylo, but reveal that Kylo had felt it too and doesn’t know what it is. Show the cloning vats and Sith alchemy on Exegol before we know that Palpatine’s back.
Definitely, 100%, don’t announce the twist villain of your movie on Fortnite to generate buzz. Make less money, probably, but a much better movie. I’ve written way too much in this comment, sorry, I’m having an autism/adhd moment
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This was honestly so funny, it's hard to be mad at them for just not even giving a shit. Yeah we could pull an explanation out of our asses that won't make any sense, or we just throw that libe at people.
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Padme dying during labor. In an advanced medical tech universe. And the lamest explanation for it "she's lost the will to live"...
Well that's not how girls work and it's quite a telling the script was written by a bloke.
Never thought of this, you're not wrong.
On the other side her dying because she lost the will to life... is kind of a good explanation for an unlikely death in such an advanced civilization.
Obviously they could simply keep her alive despite any actual medical condition. So what else could she die of... except for a spiritual (I don't know a better description) reason.
Kind of a "so bad it's actually good" explanation.
I know we're dealing with human aliens, but there is actually a thing called takotsubo cardiomyopathy, also known as "broken heart syndrome", where your heart weakens as a result of emotional trauma.
It is rarely fatal, but deaths have occurred as a result of it.
It was explained in one of the comics that she died because Vader was unknowingly siphoning her life energy to keep himself alive.
The scene is still dumb and definitely needed a better explanation but it is what it is at this point
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“That’s a good question, for another time”
That another time never happened. Sums up the sequel trilogy. Lots of setup, but no payoff.
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Any scene with older Anakin and Padme. All those love scenes were just cringe
I like the fan theory that he unknowingly mind tricked her into falling in love with him, because that's the only explanation for how she could fall in love with someone that makes me want to hide my face in shame out of cringe.
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Having bombing spaceships that bizzarely seem to rely on gravity was a pretty terrible way to open a film.
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She uses her powers to find Luke at the end of Episode V. (The scene you described is weird nonetheless)
The whole "REEEEE SINCE WHEN DOES LEIA HAVE FORCE POWERS?!??!" shit is just...goddamn it
There was SO MUCH wrong with that movie, and you picked the most obvious, easily explained, not-in-any-way-a-plot-hole scene?
It had to be people who never actually saw the original trilogy. That's the only explanation.
How could the daughter of the most powerful force-user possibly have Force powers?
It's truly baffling.
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Hey, didn't I cut a scene from one of those movies? Yeah that's the one. I want to put it back in. let's see. Ah crap, that guy there, what's his name? Jab..Jaffa? He needs to be a slug. Can we change that? What the hell, it's the 90s, we can find some computer nerd to do that. Needs to be bigger too. Like, erm, bigger than the frame? Will that work? Ah what the fuck keep him man sized, he's a space monster he can change size or some shit. That bit there - whassname, Sulu, he needs to be standing on Jagger's tail. Just make him stand on the tail. Cut him out and move him up and down it'll look fine. Yeah sure, I'd stand on a mafioso's tail - it's a power move, they respect that. What's this scene about anyway? Yada yada, removing the bounty, yada yada.. yeah I remember there was something about a bounty in one of those movies. It all fits. It's like I planned it all in advance.
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The hoverbike scene in Boba Fett. And basically anything to do with those teenagers gang members. Their bikes remind me of kitchen aid mixers meet the power rangers. The affects are so bad, the story is so bad the music is so bad. I don't think I found one good quality in that scene. Except it made me laugh for how bad it was.
And there is another scene when they are on battle and one of them does a "cool" spin for absolutely no reason.
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In this thread: People who haven't seen the Star Wars Christmas Special.
And that's a good thing. Don't see it. Don't do it. You think you're curious, I get it. But you've been warned. If you try to watch it, for goodness sake, at least bring a group of friends so that someone else will understand your lingering pain.
Grandpa Wookiee watching vr porn is something no one should have to witness
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Most Jar Jar scenes.
The casino planet.
The Holdo maneuver.
Kylo killing Han.
Space popsicle Leia.
Some of these are just awful takes man, I’m sorry.
Like Jar Jar, fair enough, he’s shitty CGI, he has bad writing, and is a pretty weak addition to the prequels. Same with the Leia scene, it looks awful and ruins what could have been an impactful death, with an almost cartoonish feel at odds with the seriousness of the rest of the film.
But the Holdo manoeuvre scene is one of the most visually striking moments in the entirety of Star Wars. It has awesome sound design, great acting, it’s just a really impressive moment with real impact.
The scene where Kylo kills Han is also really well done. The lighting is fantastic, it has some great acting, again, great sound design and a really impactful moment with a lot of suspense, and Chewie’s pained reaction is unforgettable.
The casino planet isn’t a single scene and is more of a story arc, but the introduction of the Canto Bight casino is a pretty typical Star Wars scene, almost formulaic at this point, but is executed well - if you take issue with that one and not the introduction of Takadana, I’d be curious as to why.
I think the worst scene on Canto Bight is where Finn and Rose meet DJ, the hacker. It’s very awkward and stilted, the writing is pretty poor IMO, both the dialogue and the characterisation. I think DJ is a cool character and his writing is fine, but the scene itself and Finn/Rose’s behaviour is really strange.
I actually agree that the holdo maneuver was brilliantly shot, absolutely beautiful. Unfortunately for me it was kinda ruined because it made no sense in the context of the IP.
It's like if you have horrible writing expertly delivered and acted, you can admire the actors skill but still the scene doesn't hit for you. So I think it's a pretty understandable take, as is really enjoying the visuals of the scene in the moment.
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Nope, Leia space surfing was the worst
When they gave Yoda a lightsaber for the first time. Most iconic character ruined.
Thank you. I see so many people say this was one of the best scenes of the prequels, but I can still remember my stunned disappointment when I saw it in theaters.
Yoda is supposed to be this great sage who is so powerful he never cared about violence or fighting skills. But lolnope, turns out he can actually fight, and when he does he looks like a monkey who did a rail of coke then grabbed onto a glowstick.
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Agreed, I absolutely hated that scene.
People stood up and cheered in my theater for that.
That's kind of when I stopped caring what other people think about movies.
There are two kinds of star wars fans.
First kind: cares about consistency of plot and character
Second kind: dude it's all a fantasy, why do you care so much lol, hey look laser sword go buzz lol
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Leia using force powers isn't really too unexpected considering she was as strongly connected to the force as Luke and Vader, but was never actually trained.
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There's a scene from the OT that kills me. When they're on Endor in the evening and Leia and Han are being "romantic" and it is some of the most soap opera dialogue in the whole series.
Its arguably not terrible when you read it, but watching it I was rolling my eyes. People love to hate on the Padme+Anakin romance but the Han+Luke+Leia love triangle is equally as hard to watch, in my opinion. If we're going to give one a hard time we can't ignore the other. Lucas just isn't the best at dialogue
Leia holds back her tears as Luke slowly lets her go and moves away. He disappears onto the walkway that leads out of the village. Leia, bathed in moonlight, watches him go as Han comes out of the Chief's hut and comes over to her. Leia is crying, her body trembling. He realizes only now that she is crying.
HAN Hey, what's goin' on?
Leia attempts to stifle her sobs and wipes her eyes.
LEIA Nothing. I - just want to be alone for a little while.
HAN (angry) Nothing? Come on, tell me. What's goin' on?
She looks up at him, struggling to control herself.
LEIA I...I can't tell you.
HAN (loses his temper) Did you tell Luke? Is that who you could tell?
LEIA I...
HAN Ahhh...
He starts to walk away, exasperated, then stops and walks back to her.
HAN I'm sorry.
LEIA Hold me.
Han gathers her tightly in his protective embrace.
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What are the worst scenes in all of star wars?
The Rise of the Skywalker and The Last Jedi ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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Out of nowhere? Luke tells her she can use the force in RotJ
To answer your question though, "I've been wondering. What are middichlorians?"
Sounds like a really bad film they made to show in schools for when teachers are uncomfortable with the subject
Jedi Rocks
Totally unnecessary music switch with distracting CGI silly characters completely out of tone with the rest of the scene.
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Does the whole of the Boba Fett series count?
The hover bike chase, dear lord.
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Shit... Play the Mr Plinkett Star Wars drinking game.
You'll die of alcohol poisoning today.
The Plinkett reviews are probably the best thing about the prequels existance.
Any scene that contains child Anakin or Jar Jar.
I honestly find adult Anakin to be way more annoying.
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“They can fly now??” Lamest Kenner toy ad ever. Also from the same movie: riding space horses on top of a star destroyer. Also all of that movie. What even was it called?
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The ones added in the "special" editions
Almost everything since Disney took over, except bits of Mandolorian.
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