Many of the people trying to leave Russia are against the war. It is idiotic to shame civilians who have little to no power to stop the actions of their oligarch run government.

[–] the_wise_wolf@feddit.de 43 points 5 months ago (7 children)

She says:

I can't stand it anymore because our real nationality is strong

Not sure what to make of this. We only have a video of an upset girl. Is she being treated unfairly? Who the fuck knows. All I know is that it plays perfectly into the Kremlin's propaganda: We are the good guys and the world hates us for no good reason.

load more comments (7 replies)

[–] iarigby@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (10 children)

itt: a bunch of people spoiled by the fortune of not meeting enough actual Russians. They are overwhelmingly supportive of the war as it is fully aligned with the nation’s imperialistic identity, one that existed long before Putin was even born. Russia has amazing, brilliant, heroic opposition activists which are a slim minority, I’ve been told less than 1%. The rest are mostly like this woman (or worse)

load more comments (10 replies)

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Do you think a random Russian citizen who is trying to leave Russia has anything to do with this?

No but that's not a defence for her entitlement. Did she say "look,I totally despise what Russia ia doing in Ukrainians and how its undermining other countires and I don't supoort that".. No, not once did she say that.. Fuck her. I'll save my empathy for the folks slaughtered in Bucha.

load more comments (4 replies)

[–] Munkisquisher 12 points 5 months ago

It's also sending swarms of kgb assets into western countries to fuck with, media, elections, sabotage etc. There should be a MUCH higher barrier of entry for Russians

load more comments (1 replies)

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 90 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I watched it a few times and I think I broke the code. She's talking like the issue is that she's suffering all this anti-Russian-person racism everywhere she goes, but it's pretty unlikely that anything like that is happening. But something made her upset.

I think she wants to come into the US, and US immigration doesn't want her to, and she identifies that as "hatred" for the Russians because she's supposed to be able to do whatever she wants because she's Russian, not have to do some kind of dodge through Mexico and not like these Mexicans and Brazilians that she mentions. She feels humiliated that she has to ask permission, and maybe the answer will be no fuck off get lost.

Honestly, I will be the last person to say that US immigration is always decent and fair. But someone not being nice to you or treating you special is not the same as them hating you. If you want to say US immigration is being a pain in the ass and it's unfair that it's gonna fuck up your life, then fine. But saying you need to be exempt from it because you're Russian specifically, makes you into a special specific kind of person.

[–] Tiltinyall@beehaw.org 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Granted last time I crossed the border was in 2000, but I think your right and this is basic Karen behavior. She probably expected to cross without even identifying herself. I was allowed to cross with one question, but as I said that was awhile ago.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 7 points 5 months ago

Hm, I interpreted it a little differently -- that she was talking about coming into the US to stay and live here ("we lived in Brazil for half a year" "we need to get to the US" "I want a calmer environment"), and that's a whooole different story.

This is pure guesswork, but it sounds like maybe she knew it would be a problem so she asked the immigration guy to just write her down as British to solve the problem, and he wasn't friendly about that suggestion and long story short no she can't come in the country, stay in Mexico, good luck, next in line please. And she interpreted it within this sort of framework appropriate to traveling around in places where she was used to, like a more smekalka system and being able to travel around like she wanted, and thought he was just being a dick about it and about the way he dealt with her in general, because of some personal racism towards her or something.

That would actually be a lot more charitable interpretation towards her than what I originally said "I'm Russian so I should get to do what I want." It might just be a genuine cultural thing that she ran into that she really doesn't understand. IDK though; I mean the truth is I'm purely just guessing.

But overall, I definitely think she was trying to come into the US to stay and live here, and having trouble with it (because it's real real difficult for anyone from almost any country, generally speaking), and that's why she's so upset.

load more comments (1 replies)

[–] don@lemm.ee 87 points 5 months ago (13 children)

but we never do aggressive things

Holy snapping duckshit you’re so far removed from reality that you’re in your own separate omniverse and that’s absolutely impossible

load more comments (13 replies)

[–] Godnroc@lemmy.world 58 points 5 months ago (9 children)

When the people do not know what their government is doing they cannot understand why others hate them. Nationality can be a badge of honor and a hood over your eyes.

[–] gramie@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 months ago

About 20 years ago I read this:

Americans say, "I don't know why people hate us", and that is why people hate Americans.

load more comments (8 replies)

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 50 points 5 months ago (6 children)

it's the invading of soverign nations... multiple times....

oh and all the war crimes

load more comments (6 replies)

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 43 points 5 months ago (1 children)

we never do aggressive things

Lady, some guys are at the door looking for you, asking "WTF?!?" In Chechen, Ossetian, and Ukrainian... Oh wait there's a guy loudly yelling in Finnish coming around the corner with his buddies from Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania... OMG they've got torches and pitchforks, saying that they're looking for their friends on this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_(2022%E2%80%932024)

I do realize that she's talking about individual Russians not being aggressive. And I know that I shouldn't find it so funny, that she's having this wake up call from the world... But I find it absolutely hilarious. You want others to like you? How about treating people better? And if your country's the problem then revolt.

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago

You want others to like you? How about treating people better?

From a certain perspective, what she and others like her are saying is - "I hate being treated the way we treat others" - which is a lazy, mindless posture as old as time itself.

[–] reddwarf@feddit.nl 40 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Now why would the world hate russia, hmmm? Could it be the war and killing you do in Ukraine? The threats against other democracies? The bullying of other countries and persons? The megalomaniac tendencies of that monkey putin?

No sympathy from me...

[–] taanegl@beehaw.org 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Here's a kind reminder that the Russian state is not the Russian people and there are plenty of examples throughout history of people being complacent. There are very few examples of a state so corrupt as Russia, where politicians, oligarchs and literal mafia have a hidden understanding and the system of law is just a dog and pony show.

That being said, empower Russians in diaspora, here in Europe and in the US, that seek to depose Putin, that seek to inform the Russian people. I'm saying Russia needs it's own IRA and certain buildings need to go boom, not because Ukraine, but because of Russians.

Be their ally, and for God's sake, don't use fucking Telegram to communicate with them.

load more comments (2 replies)

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 40 points 5 months ago (16 children)

It is really difficult to believe morons like this exist.

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 26 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I would argue that most people are almost completely oblivious to the world around them. This lady has been fed pro Russian propaganda her whole life so of course the real world is shocking. How could everything she was taught be wrong?

load more comments (2 replies)

[–] iarigby@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

I know but they swamped my country when the war started and I can tell you with full and tragic confidence that this is legit (and even worse, typical)

load more comments (14 replies)

[–] CaptainKickass@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

Russains here hate Russians

NGL that was funny af.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

I don't hate Russians. I'm not fond of Russia though.

[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Oh boy. This is a tough one.

In one part every citizen is in small part accountable for their government, if nothing else then through inaction. Then again they might be leaving their country, because they or their family member took action. With all this hate will it decrease the chance of somebody taking action?

But what if we look at this from East European perspective? They were under Soviet boot for decades as second rate citizens in their own country. Russians controlling everyting through inserted puppet government. Russians spoke alot about comradeship, but their stance was clear that Russians were higher breed. Do they have more right to hate every Russian?

Hate is nothing new to Russians, they see it everywhere, due to the countries history of agressive foreign policies and spy operations.

This makes me think this is just a propaganda bit. Primarily aimed for domestic use. "Don't leave Russia, they'll just hate you."

load more comments (1 replies)

[–] obsolete@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 5 months ago

I try to put myself in their situation. As much as I am against this stupid war and Putin, if I was born in a country under dictatorship, I'd probably be brainwashed or too afraid to speak my mind too.

[–] whome@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 5 months ago

I think this is one of the few entry points for other Russians to start a conversation and maybe question your propaganda based selfimage

[–] Tramort@programming.dev 7 points 5 months ago

Classic white monkey post

[–] Five@slrpnk.net 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Get used to it lady.

load more comments