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It's good of the author to extend Futo the benefit of the doubt in this way.

The very first paragraph of their definition is: "Open source just means access to the source code.". If they are really that unfamiliar with the software industry, then their code must be a horror show. Personally, I think they know exactly what they are doing.

[-] young_broccoli@fedia.io 23 points 2 years ago

They clearly know when the open source definition by the OSI starts by stating the exact oposite with almost the same wording

Open source doesn’t just mean access to the source code.

I had forgotten how the real OSD starts. That is horrifying. But then, I suppose if you're going to engage in this kind of disinformation, why not go all-in?

[-] young_broccoli@fedia.io 3 points 2 years ago

I suppose.

Not gonna lie but I expected better from them since Louis Rossman is involved with it :c

[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 28 points 2 years ago

Trying to hijack open source like that is just scummy.

[-] TheHobbyist@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 years ago

I wonder if they perhaps would be better off doing something to what Microsoft did with vscode: put the core under an open source license, then create a new product that integrates it under a restricted license with all Microsoft branding and specifics and release that as a product. That way the original Microsoft content is not subject to the open source and the true open source definition can be applied to what is the most important, the core. It wouldn't require any changes to the open source definition for example. It doesn't fix all issues raised, but may be a bit of a middle ground? Thoughts?

[-] young_broccoli@fedia.io 13 points 2 years ago

Or just call it something other than "open source", like "source available" or something.

[-] pylapp@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago

Pure jerks, clowns and morons. Trying to redefine definition of open source is crazy, insane and irrelevant.

[-] pylapp@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Maybe Futo should move to “post open source” like “open core” principles.

Today majority of standards rely on definition accepted by a majority of people since decades, i.e. the open source definition by the OSI (https://opensource.org/osd), the free / libre definition of the FSF (https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html), and the principles of ethical source by the OES (https://ethicalsource.dev/what-we-believe/). Trying to apply new definitions is very hazardous, will induce lack of consistency and may make people more confused.

However, like the OES did for ethical source licences, defining a new group of ideas / licences with associated values seems to be more interesting, like few years ago with “open core”, and also “copyfarleft” and “copyjustright”.

In a nutshell, why changing the rules of the game instead of creating a new game? 🙂

this post was submitted on 07 Jun 2024
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