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[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a nothing article. There's no reason to have ever assumed it was a constitutional right

There's plenty of other, much better reasons to justify the need for stable climate.

[–] shreddy_scientist@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It's not about justifying the need for a livable climate, but being able to legally enforce the future having one.

[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The constitution also doesn't deny the right to a stable climate, if that is what you mean.

It just has nothing to do with it.

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[–] Sentrovasi@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then possibly something needs to change - add a new Amendment or something. But to claim that old laws written with an old understanding of how the world works needs to somehow carry the semantic weight of something it was never written to do seems a bit much.

Why does the Constitution need to be involved? The federal government already has power to regulate emissions, so there's nothing stopping Congress (from a constitutional perspective) from passing laws to do so.

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[–] Godort@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I mean, they're right. Nothing in the constitution says anything about the climate.

In this case I don't think "It's not a constitutional right" means "so I guess we're going to do nothing". It's just that some legal groundwork needs to happen.

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[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I mean, that's correct. There is in fact nothing about a stable climate in the US constitution. The courts need to have at least a pretense of interpreting existing laws rather than dictating what the laws ought to be.

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[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 15 points 1 year ago

Except this case was denied by the Supreme Court in 2018,

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why does it need to be in the US constitution for it to matter?

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 points 1 year ago

Many of my countrymen seem to think if it's not a problem written down on some dusty old piece of paper, at least 1-2 centuries old, it isn't a problem now.

Something that isn't in the constitution is, by definition, not a constitutional right.

[–] Bobby_DROP_TABLES@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

requires the federal government to maintain a climate that supports human life.

maybe-later-kiddo

Unironically this is a new frontier of ghoul behevior. The next time a person tells me some shit like Biden is "the most progressive president since FDR" I'm straight up spitting in their face.

[–] Encode1307@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

Biden can't just dictate DOJ positions. DOJ is saying that, as a matter of law the Constitution doesn't say that. That if they use that argument in court, they'll lose. They're not saying that's a good thing and they're certainly not saying that Biden doesn't care about climate change.

As a leftist, anyone who says biden and fdr in the same sentence generally gets a guffaw…. But thankfully it’s usually the punchline of a joke anyways, so

[–] GarfieldYaoi@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If I had any courage, I should keep track of all this shit Biden and his team has done and when CHUDs whine, point to it and ask "He's giving you everything you want, what more do you want?"

God, I wish it was the opposite, both parties favor the left, but Republicans just give the normies lip service, which seems to be what appeases them anyways.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Who's the most progressive president since fdr?

[–] Bobby_DROP_TABLES@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

FDR was really the only slightly good (post-Lincoln) US president. And that was really only because he knew heads were going to start rolling if the government didn't throw some bones to the working class.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Who was the most progressive president since fdr?

Your original comment suggested you have an opinion on this

[–] Bobby_DROP_TABLES@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I don't really have an opinion on it, I think it's a meaningless aphorism.

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[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I think he was saying the line between FDR and the other presidents is so wide that calling anyone else progressive by comparison would essentially be changing what it means to be progressive.

[–] dinklesplein@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

LBJ if u ignore the vietnam war, Carter. Probably JFK too. shrug-outta-hecks

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fair reply thanks

I think the insane-o mode pick is Nixon with the clean water act and epa but otherwise....

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Who cares? But if you were just talkig about the environment it would be Nixon.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

No one cares and nothing matters, life is pointless.

But this is a message board so we should send messages.

I actually commented about Nixon too, funny enough

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Do you want a Constitutional Amendment? Because that's how you get a Constitutional Amendment.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's no chance of that happening. There have been no amendments in over 30 years. And no amendments that weren't a joke in over 50 years. You won't get 3/4 of the states to agree to anything the least bit controversial.

(You won't even get "just" 2/3 of the House and Senate to agree to even propose the amendment.)

Yeah, no, we shouldn't have a constitutional amendment for that. We cannot and should not try to control the climate, we can merely control our contributions to global pollution. And contributing to global pollution isn't Constitution territory, but regulation territory.

[–] HowMany@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Which leads directly to the statement "there is no constitutional right that the government will protect the citizens of this country from harm".

Then what the fuck do we need government for?

Don’t need a constitution when everything is on fire or under water

[–] HellAwaits@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I mean, they're not wrong, but it shouldn't matter. I don't know why this was brought up when it was assumed to be the case to begin with.

Congress still needs to pass legislation to try and limit climate change as much as possible.

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[–] YaaAsantewaa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Joe Biden is terrible for this country, the DNC needs to stop pushing 80 year old boomers

[–] this_1_is_mine@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

i love how you frame this is some how a thing only the dnc does. especially when the republicant party has done the same and part of it is still trying for the 77 year old russain spy.

I don't see anywhere the OP is saying it's unique to the DNC, only that the DNC is doing it and should stop.

The GOP should also stop.

Russia has nothing to do with anything, it's a great scapegoat for the failure of Democrats to actually carry out any of their goals. If the DNC runs Biden then I'm voting third party, I don't want a white trash racist boomer as my President

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