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[–] Hubi@feddit.org 110 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's been a while since I've seen this meme template being used correctly

[–] CodexArcanum@lemmy.world 46 points 4 months ago

Turns out, most people think their stupid views are actually genius

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 108 points 4 months ago (7 children)

So the problem isn't the technology. The problem is unethical big corporations.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 69 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (17 children)

depends. for "AI" "art" the problem is both terms are lies. there is no intelligence and there is no art.

[–] lauha@lemmy.one 7 points 4 months ago (12 children)
[–] oatscoop@midwest.social 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

Any work made to convey a concept and/or emotion can be art. I'd throw in "intent", having "deeper meaning", and the context of its creation to distinguish between an accounting spreadsheet and art.

The problem with AI "art" is it's produced by something that isn't sentient and is incapable of original thought. AI doesn't understand intent, context, emotion, or even the most basic concepts behind the prompt or the end result. Its "art" is merely a mashup of ideas stolen from countless works of actual, original art run through an esoteric logic network.

AI can serve as a tool to create art of course, but the further removed from the process a human is the less the end result can truly be considered "art".

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[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

there is no intelligence and there is no art.

People said exact same thing about CGI, and photography before. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody scream "IT'S NOT ART" at Michaelangelo or people carving walls of temples in ancient Egypt.

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[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 6 points 4 months ago (16 children)

Technology is a cultural creation, not a magic box outside of its circumstances. "The problem isn't the technology, it's the creators, users, and perpetuators" is tautological.

And, importantly, the purpose of a system is what it does.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

Always has been

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 47 points 4 months ago (34 children)

The root problem is capitalism though, if it wasn't AI it would be some other idiotic scheme like cryptocurrency that would be wasting energy instead. The problem is with the system as opposed to technology.

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[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 42 points 4 months ago (2 children)

But what if we use AI in robots and have them go out with giant vacuums to suck up all the bad gasses?

My climate change solution consultation services are available for hire anytime.

[–] pastel_de_airfryer@lemmy.eco.br 30 points 4 months ago

Careful! Last time I sarcastically posted a stupid AI idea, within minutes a bunch of venture capitalists tracked me down, broke down my door and threw money at me non stop for hours.

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Robots figuring out that without humans releasing gas their job is a lot more efficient could cause a few problems.

[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Don't worry, they will figure out that without humans releasing gasses they have no purpose, so they will cull most of the human population but keep just enough to justify their existence to manage it.

Although you don't need AI to figure that one out. Just look at the relationships between the US intelligence and military and "terrorist groups".

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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 28 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It’s wild how we went from…

Critics: “Crypto is an energy hog and its main use case is a convoluted pyramid scheme”

Boosters: “Bro trust me bro, there are legit use cases and energy consumption has already been reduced in several prototype implementations”

…to…

Critics: “AI is an energy hog and its main use case is a convoluted labor exploitation scheme”

Boosters: “Bro trust me bro, there are legit use cases and energy consumption has already been reduced in several prototype implementations”

[–] SleezyDizasta@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

They're not really comparable. Crypto and blockchain were good solutions looking for problems to solve. They're innovative and cool? Sure, but they never had a widescale use. AI has been around for awhile, it just got recently rebranded as artificial intellectual, the same technologies were called algorithms a few years ago... And they basically run the internet and the global economy. Hospitals, schools, corporations, governments, the militaries, etc all use them. Maybe certain uses of AI are dumb, but trying to pretend that the thing as a whole doesn't have, or rather already has, genuine uses is just dumb

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Stupid AI will destroy humanity. But the important thing to remember is that for a brief, shining moment, profit will be made.

[–] suction@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 18 points 4 months ago (6 children)

This conveniently ignores the progress being made with smaller and smaller models in the open source community.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Nowadays you can actually get a semi decent chat bot working on a n100 that consumes next to nothing even at full charge.

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[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

As with literally every technical progress, tech itself is no problem, capitalism usage of it is.

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[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

In what sense does a small community working with open weight (note: rarely if ever open source) llm have any mitigating impact on the rampant carbon emissions for the sake of bullshit generators?

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[–] exanime@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And all for some drunken answers and a few new memes

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

In my country this kind of AI is being used to more efficiently find tax fraud and to create chatbots for users to understand taxes, that due to the much more reliable and limited training set does not allucinate and can provide clear sources for the information given.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Personally I think AI systems will kill us dead simply by having no idea what to do, dodgy old coots thinking machines are magic and know everything when in reality machines can barely approximate what we tell them to do and base their information on this terrible approximation.

[–] ChapulinColorado@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Machines will do exactly what you tell them to do and is the cause of many software bugs. That’s kind of the problem, no matter how elegant the algorithm, fuzzy goes in, fuzzy comes out. It was clear this very basic principle was not even considered when Google started telling people to eat rocks and glue. You can’t patch special cases out when they are so poorly understood.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Not only the pollution.

It has triggered an economic race to the bottom for any industry that can incorporate it. Employers will be forced to replace more workers with AI to keep prices competitive. And that is a lot of industries, especially if AI continues its growth.
The result is a lot of unemployment, which means an economic slowdown due to a lack of discretionary spending, which is a feedback loop.

There are only 3 outcomes I can imagine:

  1. AI fizzles out. It can't maintain its advancement enough to impress execs.
  2. An unimaginable wealth disparity and probably a return to something like feudalism.
  3. social revolution where AI is taken out of the hands of owners and placed into the hands of workers. Would require changes that we'd consider radically socialist now, like UBI and strong af social safety nets.

The second seems more likely than the third, and I consider that more or less a destruction of humanity

[–] Frostbeard@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I don't like to use relative numbers to illustrate the increase. 48% can be miniscule or enormous based on the emission last year.

While I don't think the increase is miniscule it's still an unessesary ambiguity.

[–] elrik@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The relative number here might be more useful as long as it's understood that Google already has significant emissions. It's also sufficient to convey that they're headed in the wrong direction relative to their goal of net zero. A number like 14.3 million tCO₂e isn't as clear IMO.

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[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

There are some pretty smart/knowledgeable people in the left camp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ziuPUeewK0

[–] JayDee@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

Miles is chill in my book. I appreciate what he is tackling, and hope he continues.

It seems that there are much worse issues with AI systems that are happening right now. I think those issues should be taking precedent over the alignment problem.

Some of the issues are bad enough right now that AI development and use should be banned for a limited time frame (at least 5 years) while we figure out more ethical ways of doing it. The fact that we aren't doing that is a massive failure of our already constantly-fucking-up governments.

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[–] hoogic@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

wait until the curveless anon comes in

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