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I know that it's popular to dismiss President Biden. I get it. He's old. This is the first election featuring the 2 oldest candidates, ever. So what? The future of the WORLD is literally dependent on this election. To boot Biden from the ticket and try to bootstrap another candidate is madness. Booting this incumbent and hoping his VP will succeed is like firing the cook and hoping the dishwasher will give you Michelin-quality food. Stick with the old man, and figure out a way to enact his popular policies while also expanding the Supreme Court, enacting term limits and limiting "Christian" Nationalists.

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[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (6 children)

No it's like firing the head chef who's always passed out in the walk-in and hoping one of the sous chefs who actually work the line every night making the food will give you Michelin-quality food. I mean, maybe not Harris in particular, but you get the point.

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The arrogance of Democratic leadership is fully on display here. I have nothing against Biden, he’s done great but he's too old and should have known he was going to be a one term president from day one and worked to hand the mantle over to younger candidates years ago.

Now here we are months from an extremely important election and we have to debate if he is physically fit for the job. It’s obvious bullshit and a complete failure of leadership for the Democratic Party.

A lot of people are going to just vote for him because the alternative is unacceptable. However there are a lot of people in the center in key swing states who don’t follow politics, don’t understand what is at stake that may not have that same attitude. To them the age issue is front and center in their decision making process.

This is the second time Dems have put a fundamentally flawed candidate up for the presidency. They need to fix their fucking process.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Only one way to fix flawed dem candidates. Convince more people to vote for better ones. Otherwise you're basically asking them to suppress moderates that might want to run.

This is how democracy works, where voters choose candidates. But when progressives are only a fraction of the party, we need to expand the number of progressive voters in order to see results.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 months ago (52 children)

If this election is so important why are we being forced to vote for a genocidal mummy instead of having a Primary? 🤔

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[–] anachronist@midwest.social 12 points 2 months ago (4 children)

The future of the WORLD is literally dependent on this election

Been hearing this every four years my entire life.

Booting this incumbent and hoping his VP

I agree. Kamala is the worst politician in America. How did we end up in the timeline where we're stuck in the plot of VEEP?

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The future of the WORLD is [fetchly] dependent on this election

Been hearing this every four years my entire life.

When something increases steadily, it's always at its most. Democracy in America has been at growing risk, just like your birthday candles are always at their highest number every year.

That's how arithmetic progression works

Booting this incumbent and hoping his VP

I agree. Kamala is the worst politician in America.

This world has convicted felon trump, two bushes and Nixon. What bullshit criteria are you using to evaluate someone intentionally kept out of the post-9/11 public eye against those people?

How did we end up in the timeline where we're stuck in the plot of VEEP?

If you're a conservative, you must remember when Johnson took over. Personally. Or is the memory going?

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago

The future of the WORLD is literally dependent on this election.

Americans really need to get over themselves. 😂

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago (4 children)

To bury your head in the sand and continue to claim Biden is the best chance to defeat Trump is madness.

Look, I get it, the DNC has placed us in a terribly frightening position due to their unwillingness to test the president in a real primary so he could show us he’s the best choice to beat Trump, and now in the final hour we are learning that was all smoke and mirrors. Biden is way down in all the polls, and forcing him onto the ticket now means certain defeat.

We still have plenty of time to generate enormous voter enthusiasm for a new ticket, more than Biden could ever garner, and we can use that to catapult the Dems to a big win in November. Have a process where candidates debate and demonstrate how their approaches would differ from where Biden was unpopular. Use a small fraction of the campaign war chest to televise it everywhere, especially online. This should include Kamala, and she needs to prove she can maintain her delegates if she wants the nom. Let’s not make the same mistake twice. Assuming she succeeds here, she is the incumbent VP, so would maintain that theoretical advantage, but we get the tailwind of a fresh ticket with a new VP who can totally change the narrative. This is the Dems’ chance to get back in the saddle and provide a new alternative people are willing to vote for - it should be celebrated!

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[–] That_Devil_Girl@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I get it. He's old. So what?

No, you don't get it. It's not just a matter of age, it's a matter of severe cognitive impairment due to his age. He's a few brain cells away from becoming a gibbering vegetable.

It's rather alarming that the only qualification to be the Democrat nominee is to have a pulse. Not a brain, not an agenda, not a set of policies and initiatives. Just a pulse and nothing more.

At that point, who's actually making the decisions? Who controls the nuclear codes? Who is commanding the military? It's not Biden, but some anonymous unelected staffers?

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The other candidate wants to be dictator on day 1.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 months ago

And has even less cognitive abilities than Joe

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 1 points 2 months ago

should I reply to a comment that has "He's a few brain cells away from becoming a gibbering vegetable.". I mean common. Is this in good faith. Will everyone get 100% behind a replacement from the party. I doubt that. I see no reason to replace him. He has a young vice president so if he becomes unable to serve she was also voted on by the democratic voters last spring. This is a non issue to me.

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[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (24 children)

Any call for sticking with a candidate with these poll numbers BEFORE the convention is a paid operation by Russians trying to get Trump elected.

*I don't actually think you're a bot, just preemptively using that argument when I know the idiots trying to tether us to an egotistical, genocidal asshole that will lose to Trump will call me a bot for pointing out correctly that Biden will lose.

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[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Sounds like Biden is likely to resign this weekend. I guess the entirety of the Democratic party is russian bots, right?

You might want to think through the thought process that lead you to be so wrong about what was happening, and why you ended up being a follower while the people you were following were deciding to go in the opposite direction.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 months ago

The future of the WORLD

Overblown. Other countries will be affected and that pisses me off, but you take our country to be a bit more important than it really is. Lots of other countries see the writing on the wall: we're in massive decline.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Booting this incumbent and hoping his VP will succeed is like firing the cook and hoping the dishwasher will give you Michelin-quality food

No. It's more like firing the head chef who's putting dish soap in every course and yelling at anyone who points it out that he's just as capable as he ever was.

The junior chef slated as a temporary replacement might not be very well-liked, and not even a very good cook, but at least she won't poison the guests while alienating the staff.

Plus, due to arcane restaurant edicts the kitchen is required to either hire from their own ranks or hire a chef who shits directly into the mouth of every patron, threatens all the LGBTQ+ workers and tries to physically prevent people of color from entering the restaurant.

And for some unfathomable reason, most of the guests would rather eat shit than dish soap.

[–] heavyboots@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

Let's put it this way, as long as Trump doesn't win, I'm fine with the result. But given that the only viable candidate right now is Biden, or possibly Kamala Harris, who is already on the ticket anyway, I'll be voting Biden simply to insure that Trump doesn't win.

And if you think there isn't that much difference between the two, read some summaries of what Trump plans to do via Project 2025.

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A message to the DNC, if you want the votes, run someone popular. Hillary got us Trump, and they are working to let it happen again. Vote for the best candidate. Don't waste your vote on a crappy short-term candidate, and maybe one day we can get a good one, maybe one day great.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

If you want someone popular; participate in the primaries and spruik for your preferred candidate.

Until the US institutes preferential voting, citizens need to vote tactically in general elections. Vote for the candidate most likely to defeat the one who you oppose most. Abstaining from voting is just a vote for the opposition by proxy.

[–] heavyboots@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I believe in AZ it is on the ballot as a petition-based initiative in November. Because the Republican-majority congress wants nothing to do with it.

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