Valve is so back : deadlock

[-] taiyang@lemmy.world 85 points 2 years ago

Pretty sure at this point valve just does things for the love of the game. They don't need VR or handhelds and they certainly don't need their own games, but they do it anyway.

And I don't say that just cause 30% profit off their store is enough; Apple and Google both do that on mobile and they still stick their grubby hands on everything (their stores are probably a fraction of their profit anyway).

Nah, it's cause Valve doesn't have shareholders and doesn't seem interested in the myth of infinite growth. They just want to tinker; Portal was self reflecting parody, haha.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago

That's what you get when the Company CEO is also the original (or at least one of) Founder

Every time the founder CEO steps down and is replaced (Unless the founder directly, hand picks their successor (and even then sometimes not)) the company goes to shit soon after

It happened with Google, it happened with Apple, it happened with Reddit (Little more complicated, but there were multiple founders, the one with the vision and the one with only money on the mind, you can guess which one is currently at the helm) and it'll happen with Valve too

[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

I'm terrified when Gabe dies that my library of temporarily licensed software will be stripped away.

[-] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 13 points 2 years ago

We really need to find a fountain of youth for Gabe like, yesterday. I genuinely dread his passing.

[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

So did you know that you can't will your library after death? Maybe as he gets closer, he'll rethink that 🤷

[-] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Him being 100+ pounds over weight isn't helping this fear, either

[-] AnExerciseInFalling@programming.dev 11 points 2 years ago

He actually appears to have lost a lot of weight recently

Source from earlier this year https://starfishneuroscience.com/team

[-] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Damn, he has, last time I saw him he had lost a lot of weight, but that still meant he was like 100lbs overweight. Then I saw a newer pic a few years later and he had gain a bunch back. So I just figured he was in the yo-yo diet game. Good to see he seems to be progressively getting better. I mean, he does have billions to afford dieticians, personal trainers, private chefs, etc., but addiction, is addiction.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 10 points 2 years ago

Yep, as soon as you're beholden to shareholders, you're forced to take the short term view on everything, at the expense of long term returns.

[-] DScratch@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago

LINE MUST GO UP THIS QUARTER!

[-] Xenny@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I doubt Gabe actually steers anything these days. Valve as a company might already be on autopilot. Their culture permeates through every employee who works there. I am not looking forward to the day Gabe dies but I don't think vavle is gonna change much when he does. They are already winning without trying. And if they keep the company private they have no incentive to fuck it up.

If valve goes public that's the day we panic.

[-] abbadon420@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

That is because everything an original CEO steps down to make place for a different CEO. It is because the new CEO will make the company grow. (It also means they ruin the company, but they don't say that out loud)

[-] Overshoot2648@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago

Shareholders ruin everything. That's why I'm a Mutualist.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

They don’t need VR or handhelds and they certainly don’t need their own games, but they do it anyway.

Releasing a handheld was a fairly savvy marketing strategy, given how lucrative the console marketplace has proven to be. Idk if I'd call that "love of the game" so much as "optimal play at the production price point".

Valve doesn’t have shareholders and doesn’t seem interested in the myth of infinite growth.

Plenty of Valve's store content is absolute dogshit. I refuse to believe they are immune to the allure of infinite growth through the distribution of MOBAs and other FTP games. But they're not munching on their seed corn in pursuit of stratospheric growth, like Apple and Microsoft. They're also coasting on an environment where things are getting worse and they're just kinda treading water.

Not getting worse is the new getting better.

[-] desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 years ago

proton is definitely an improvement, and them actually maintaining all their functionality is better than most tech companies are doing.

[-] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeuuVCdJLSc

[-] taiyang@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Probably not too far off from his real thoughts, lol

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I'm glad they do these things.

It also makes me more likely to put time into Deadlock, because I know they'll support it for a while.

[-] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago

I was talking to my friend about it today. The jury is out on whether Deadlock will be free to play or not, but I expect it will and I expect them to set it up as the new generation's TF2 - i.e. Valve's home cooked free to play game, and this thing might have a tail of 15 years or more.

I might be wrong, but I hope I'm not. I like Deadlock so far.

[-] NOOBMASTER@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

The problem is, if Deadlock goes free to play, then they will have so many problems with cheaters and bots, as any other free to play game.

[-] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

Sure, but so does any game. And Valve has put a lot of work, pretty recently, into washing all the bots out of TF2. So they're well primed for the war in that department.

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[-] Rookwood@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Since the games in the first image, Valve has released:

TF2

Left 4 Dead

Left 4 Dead 2

Alien Swarm

Portal 2

CS:GO

Dota 2

Artifact

Dota Underlords

Half-Life: Alyx

CS2

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 22 points 2 years ago

CS2 and Alyx also happened, it's a thing now.

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[-] WilfordGrimley@linux.community 16 points 2 years ago

My man doesn't know the genius of Dota 2.

[-] arefx@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Dota 2 is the greatest game of all time. Not video game, but game. Take video games, chess and board games, sports, all of it. Dota 2 is insane and simply the best. The sheer amount of mind energy that people can throw into the matches is unreal and the skill ceiling is seemingly endless.

[-] Naz@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

Damn. Reading this comment is humbling.

If you had to make a sequel to DOTA/DOTA2, what would it be?

Deadlock seeks to be that sequel, but I personally don't really see it just yet

[-] Anti_Face_Weapon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

We shall see. I think deadlock is trying to do it's own thing.

[-] arefx@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If I had to make a sequel it would just be the same thing in a new engine with modern graphics to the time. I think dota 2 still has plenty of life and dont think we need a 3 yet. I think deadlock is the perfect option for something similar but with a new feeling to it.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

They'll still be printing money.

[-] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 11 points 2 years ago

IceFrog is cooking.

[-] Klanky@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 years ago

I would love a Portal 3.

[-] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago

What would you really add or change that would warrant a third game though? The second game can already be expanded into multiple full games thanks to the mod community.

The first game laid out the concept, the second game refined it and expanded on it. While technically nothing stopping then from making more of exactly the same game such would be disappointing against most people their expectation of improvement and would be easily criticized from all kinds of corners. Weather it is fair or makes any logical sense valve today is who they are part because of their imago, maintaining there respectable and high quality standard is economic survival.

[-] Klanky@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don’t know what I’d add, I’m not nearly creative or talented enough to design games. I just love the world and want more official stories in it.

I trust Valve to only do it if they have something that would be as big a jump as there was between 1 and 2.

[-] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

Check out Aperture Desk Job

[-] Gork@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago

But Valve can't count to 3

[-] Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago

Portal 2.9

[-] 7355608@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

What about skipping 3 and making Portal π?

[-] Kyatto@leminal.space 3 points 2 years ago

Because you keep trying till you run out of cake, if we are eating pie we are way past cake so we shouldn't be trying anymore.

[-] NOOBMASTER@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

No.