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[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 303 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Healthcare: ❎ "No, that's communism!"

Mandatory Labor: ✅ "Yes, that's patriotism!"

🙄

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 91 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Spin universal healthcare as "Those damn overpayed doctors should be forced to support their nation!" and BOOM, patriotism.

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 26 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I legit believe it can be a matter of choice of words. I mean, for some issues.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Simply describe any leftist position without using charged words and I guarantee most republicans would be on board.

My mom is "pro-life." I interviewed her on what exactly she believed should be legislated. Turns out she's 100% pro choice but just doesn't like abortion.

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[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That’s right!

~~Keep Texas Beautiful~~ - Don’t Mess With Texas

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[–] Trabic@lemmy.one 159 points 2 months ago (3 children)

We could call it "The Large Jump Ahead" or something.

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 39 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

We're taking all the glasses and killing the birds too right?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 16 points 2 months ago (4 children)

No, we're just going to start using that pesticide that kills bird eggs again.

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[–] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

For anyone else who didn't get the joke, I already googled it and figured it out: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

If anyone is curious, I found it using, "Asian jump ahead" 😅

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 111 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Yeah, not doing volunteer farm work to give private people and corporations free work and profit.

If there were some state-owned ones that the food was used to feed public school kids or others on government programs, maybe.

But no way for someone else’s profit.

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[–] hdnsmbt@lemmy.world 82 points 2 months ago (10 children)

Will they get to keep the produce? Otherwise, this is just slavery and very much in line with conservative ideology again.

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[–] at_an_angle@lemmy.one 76 points 2 months ago (4 children)
[–] warbond@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Wow, never heard of this, thank you

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 62 points 2 months ago (14 children)

Rich people will be exempt, of course.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

People in University or with University Education will "of course" be exempted from this duty which, by an amazing coincidence will exempt the scions of the rich and upper middle class.

It's a similar technique as what's used in not just the US but also countries like the UK to make sure the children of "upper" classes don't have to endure certain hardships and have enhanced future opportunities even in accessing Upper Education: it's not at all *cough* *cough* because they're the children of wealthy parents, it's purelly because they frequent (expensive) private schools and the children of the poor and working class too when they frequent such schools have access to those things (the "small" detail that the poor and working class cannot actually afford it, remains unsaid).

Whenever a Neoliberal talks about how meritocratic their system is, remember that they defend privatised education, something which as I explained above just means a two tier system were those who can afford it purchase for their children easy access past certain gatekeepers of future opportunities such as access to certain Universities whilst the rest are in a different track - the state school system - with far lower chances, all of which is the very opposite of a merit-based system.

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[–] SPRUNT@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

I can almost hear the bone spurs growing...

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[–] Mammothmothman@lemmy.ca 58 points 2 months ago

Repeat after me class.

FUCK

YOU

PAY

ME

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 53 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

As someone who farmed for the first couple of decades of my life - no. We need to utilize drones for farming and ban the use of tires and fossil fuels (which deposit heavy metals) on fields.

Also pretty sure glyphosate/Roundup caused health issues for everyone I know and myself (all farmers/in farm communities). It's a neurotoxin and is in the entire Ogallala acquifer and most ground water around farms and their watershed. I spoke with a lead state toxicologist in the PNW about this. It verifiably has effects on fish and insects in the watershed here (which Monsanto claims is too diluted to have effects).

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[–] Raxiel@lemmy.world 53 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Every* American Citizen

  • Except my kids, obviously.
[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 27 points 2 months ago

That's the beauty of it.

Conservatives will push for laws that affect urban public schools and have their kids in private schools or live outside city limits.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 50 points 2 months ago (26 children)

I mean a national labor corps with incentivized participation isn't the worst idea. Gives people the opportunity to get work experience without necessarily having to understand their career direction in life.

Shouldn't be a draft in any circumstances but absolute crisis situation, like essential infrastructure is on the brink of total collapse and regular pay incentives aren't getting bodies on it fast enough.

Who knows, might get some people into work they didn't realize they'd gel with, plenty of inspector positions are behind work load and I've got s feeling a part of that is just people not knowing the work is out there.

[–] testfactor@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I'd be super on board for this. Treat it similarly to the military, where room and board are provided, and they ship you to an underserved part of the country to help.

Especially if we extended the GI Bill to cover participating. Like, do 4 yrs and you get full tuition covered at any public university.

I think it would really promote national unity and help to lift people out of poverty. You'd have people from all over the country working together, bridging a lot of our internal divisions. You'd get people out of their bubbles and echo chambers and have them actually seeing the country.

If we could normalize it, where it's just what people did after highschool, it would give people time to figure their lives out. Remove the pressure of having to choose a career right away. I know so many people who "had to go to college" because that was the next step, but didn't have a clue what they wanted in life, so got useless majors and have dead ended. This would be perfect for people like that.

Plus infrastructure in the US is a joke. And even as the OP implies, farming is a broken business in the US for a number of reasons. There are never enough people working soup kitchens and food pantries, or cleaning up our national forests to prevent forest fires. If we could mobilize our young people en masse, we could make a huge difference in this country.

I'm 1000% on board.

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[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

Without a draft it's just a Keynsian jobs program like CCC or Teach for America. Not the worst idea in the world.

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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 47 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Why should we be subsidizing labor costs for large agribusiness?

I can think of a lot more virtuous forms of national service.

[–] ineffable@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The next post explains that agriculture is so important, it should be controlled by the government, with quotas, and rations...

/s

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[–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 44 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What’s “our farms” do we own the means of production? Do I get food or resources from this farm? Wtf

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[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 39 points 2 months ago (2 children)

As long as every farmer has to work in the city for a year.

[–] Trabic@lemmy.one 61 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

No, the farmers design bridges and dams.

The engineers work in hospitals.

The doctors we shoot for being nerds.

Perfect society.

Edit: we also kill all the sparrows for some reason.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure many of those farmers, especially the young ones would not return to the farm. Farmers are stuck in the fantasy that they don't need the cities. They don't need any products beyond what they need to ride in the their GPS controlled air conditioned tractor as it plows perfectly straight rows. None of which is built on the farm.

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[–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 38 points 2 months ago

Probability that this person is over 30?

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 29 points 2 months ago (3 children)

They'll all have bone spurs and we end up doing it.

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[–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

Every American has to do one season of farm work but all food is now free. Monkey's paw curls and all that.

Farmers can't just have free labor and still get all the profits.

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Wait till they scapegoat sparrows

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[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 2 months ago (22 children)

i think we should force everyone to do at least 2 years of philosophical education and study.

It would unironically be good for the average persons intelligence.

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[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago (4 children)

So there was a reduction of family-operators farming between 1950 and 1990; by 74%. Of course, the number of hired workers has risen. On the surface that makes sense. I would imagine that farms hire illegal immigrants so that they can pay them less than the minimum visa-required pay (which is slightly more than minimum wage); probably also do not provide much in the way of benefits or vacation either. That’s my hunch.

But if i were a young man, and i went through college, and was struggling finding a career in my field and facing the student debt i no-doubt accrued during college, i sure as shit wouldn’t want to spend any amount of time doing indentured servitude. If i did, I’d voluntarily join the Peace Corps or something.

This is insane.

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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

The person that wrote that is like 31 years old last week

and

"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

old habits et cetera

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

I'm 47.

Get back on the farm, slaves. Danny needs his guava juice.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Get bent loser I have a job and house and life, if I go farm for you I'll lose it. Steal a kid like the army does.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

My personal lived experience is the only valid one 😠

-Conservatives

(See also: the only moral abortion is my abortion, government spending is handouts unless it’s for my farm and business or subsidizing my unnecessary gigantic vehicle. Queers are bad but my daughter came out to me and I really wish everyone would stop bullying her, etc.)

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 months ago

Yeah no, I would die. I can't operate a lawnmower without crippling myself for a good couple of days with allergies, insects will go out of their way to sting/bite me instead of anyone else, and I am too pale to be outside for long periods of time without blistering. Stick me in a factory instead.

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