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5. No trolling.
This shouldn't need an explanation. If your post or comment is made just to get a rise with no real value, it will be removed. You do this too often, you will get a vacation to touch grass, away from this community for 1 or more days. Repeat offenses will result in a perma-ban.
Instance-wide rules always apply. https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/
I defended @beaver@lemmy.ca when a comment of theirs was reported.
I was just given context on this. Looking at their comments in that light, I have decided to ban them from !unpopularopinion@lemmy.world for all their bad faith arguments. Banning people for "bad faith" voting is bullshit. Coming here to defend that horrible action will not be tolerated.
We all know it's the vegan community. I got banned for simply voting on comments.
Now they're also spamming posts to fill up everyone's feeds.
Same here lmfao, the utter sensitivity.
Edit: Also, it's mostly that one power-mod spamming vitriolic posts. I just blocked them and my feed is a lot nicer. Dude's checking the database and just banning everyone who downvotes him.
It was indeed! The post in question was particularly smarmy and my response was pretty tame in comparison. Why even have a community if you don't want anyone to have a conversation?
Vegans are a relative minority group that a lot of people like to antagonise. That's not to say you were doing that, I haven't looked at what you got banned over. Just that a lot of people do go out of their way to try to annoy vegans, and because there are relatively few vegans those people can quickly drown out any attempt to discuss, like, vegan recipes and such
Honestly most of the posts I see on /c/vegan or /c/veganmemes are just making fun of and antagonizing people who eat meat lmao
It's tribalism. We're unfortunately all guilty of it in one way or another and it has become more serious with the increase of social media use
I like this explanation in particular: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/beyond-school-walls/202304/tribalism-in-the-age-of-social-media
Edit: to add, I am suspecting that I'm still getting brigaded by a group I pissed off last week. It really doesn't bother me if they are doing that, but there are people that take their internet points more serious than I do so there are definitely people in the fediverse that will do that to you
That explains why I'm banned from there. I saw a post from there pop up on all that I actually agreed with and when I tried to comment I learned I was banned.
I missed this whole thing. I've had them blocked for as long as I can remember.
I got banned for downvoting. Kind of hard to take people seriously when they’re so sensitive to criticism that the equivalent of a thumbs down emoji gets you banned.
Pretty sure I just got banned from c/vegan because I downvoted "wrong". Haven't interacted in any other way, so not sure what else it could be. Also recently got banned from c/imageai for downvoting "too much"? This is a weird trend that seems like a bad path for Lemmy to go down if it's starting to become the norm.
*Also, what's up with not being able to block a community you're banned from? They don't want you there but you're forced to view their content? That makes no sense.
I see a lot of comments about a particular vegan community. Sounds like people here need something like c/chillVegans where you don’t get kicked out unless you’re a total menace.
Also, what's up with not being able to block a community you're banned from?
I'd like a setting that automatically hides communities where I can't participate. If I have to be a member of some club, hit some threshold of something, whatever; I just don't want to see it, then.
I never care about these posts unless you share what you posted.
Too Many times the "it was just a little joke bro" turns out they called someone's dog the N word or something and understand why they got banned.
"What it wasn't like I said it about a person, just a ***** dog"
So, have fun OP, but making this post makes me doubt you more than them if you're not going to recount any details at all.
Feel free to check the modlog.
Butthurt Beaver has also been banning anyone who dares vote incorrectly.
Vegans will talk mad shit and then get so mad when their thread reaches nonvegan feeds.
Can't stand the heat, which is why they eat salad.
Not to be all "not like the other girls" about veganism, but I kind of hate the general vegan communities. They always end up turning into a who can hate meat eaters the most contest and the less extreme members usually leave. It's also really frustrating because the goal should be to get more people eating plant based, and their methods just push people away. Yeah, of course I believe people should stop eating meat, and I struggle to understand how someone can acknowledge the cruelty of factory farming and turn around and eat a burger, but shouting them down isn't accomplishing anything. I'm not going to engage with the people who show up just to talk shit, but I'm down to talk to anyone actually open to a conversation.
That said, there are a lot of people who think it's suuuuper funny to seek out vegan communities to make the same tired ass comments that lead to vegans becoming angrier and more insular, so I really don't want to make this a Vegans Bad comment. I get the desire to tell people to fuck off. It's exhausting to try to talk about a news article and be constantly drowned out by trolls.
OP, I don't know what your comment said, but you know whether or not you were engaging in good faith. Maybe you deserved the ban, maybe not. I just think maybe sometimes we could all stand to keep scrolling.
So, like, if I organize a block party where everyone's invited, and someone drops a deuce in the punch bowl, I shouldn't ask them to leave because I should have had a discrete guest list?
I'd say it's more like I went to a party where the host invited the entire block but only wants people there wearing funny hats, but didn't tell anyone they had to wear a funny hat and then called the police to complain that their house is full of people who aren't wearing funny hats.
I'd take the ban without question if I was acting like an ass on there, but all I did was make a comment that didn't specifically agree with them that everyone who isn't vegan is apparently a horrible person who persecutes vegans constantly lol
but didn't tell anyone they had to wear a funny hat
FYI, I don't know the specific case here, just being generic.
The rules are right there in the sidebar in pretty much all clients, though it varies on mobile depending on app/web UI. Most communities here have rules. Society has rules. Ignorance of those rules, whether accidental or willful, is never a valid excuse for breaking them. "I'm sorry, officer, I didn't know I couldn't do that" isn't a valid legal strategy.
To return to the analogy: it would be like showing up to the event without a funny hat despite the invitation clearly stating that a funny hat is required and then being asked to leave. It's on the attendee to read the details on the invitation and be aware of any requirements.
"Calling the police" would be more akin to escalating to a site admin to have you banned for that which, I agree, would be extreme unless the person decided to be an ass and make a scene on the way out (not throwing shade with that, just using an actual party example I've had to deal with).
Doesn't explain the 20 or so users banned in the past couple of hours for "rule 5" having never posted in the community.
Seriously these mods ban you for literally nothing. I think they're worse on here than they ever were on Reddit. Bunch of fucking children I swear to God.
edit Oh hey now I'm banned from c/vegan too. I wasn't even talking about them. They're even worse I guess.
I’ve never come across a friendly vegan community. I’m not exactly looking for one but the ones that make themselves known tend to have extreme takes. There’s nothing wrong being vegan but their online community sure feels they’re going about it the wrong way, being overly dismissive and defensive rather than open and helpful.
Was it on the vegan community? I bet it was on the vegan community.
Their echo chambers are lined with the same material the tankies use in their communities.
Nah, a ton of people say the same thing.
They're wrong, and so are the immediate bans (the bans are asshole moves, but you don't just jump into a C/ without checking the vibe a little), but it's too common a complaint to call unpopular.
We're talking about u/beaver aren't we?
One of the things I disliked about Reddit was the self righteous power mods that turned the site in to an echo chamber.
If you can't handle a counter point that's been made in good faith, then get off of the soapbox.
Just leave the rabid vegans alone. They are showing you who they are. Believe them and don’t waste your time trying to be rational with them.
Some people get the tiniest shred of a hint of a... concept of a plan... of power and it turns them into tiny tinpot tyrants. Sometimes they're on HOAs, sometimes they're middle management, and sometimes they moderate communities or forums online. You can't reason with them, and it's out of your ability to destroy them, so you're better off just shrugging your shoulders, giving them the finger, and then doing something else.
You have been permanently banned from c/ConservativeCatRecipes.
I feel like the Internet doesn't have that fuzzy but between public and private spaces like real life does. Some people want their public space to be like a Marxist book store on a side street to a Main/High Street. Sure, people can come in to read the literature and talk about the books there. However, if someone comes in wanting to discuss the merits of Ayn Rand, they are probably going to be kicked out.
IMO this is mainly only a problem because Lemmy is small enough that everyone is browsing all and there's no realistic natural separation of users. Going private is an extreme solution with high likelihood of it just dying as a result.
Going private is an extreme solution with high likelihood of it just dying as a result.
Okay, and...?
That doesn't negate the point: if they don't want anyone else that isn't already part of their group interacting with their instance or posts, why be federated, and why leave things public?
Looks like it's just a temp ban, not permanent:
I appreciate that, but I already blocked the mod and the community. There's no point in even trying to deal with someone like that for a community I'm not super active in. I honestly can't imagine that even vegan people will want to stay there much longer if it's gotten this bad
Upvoted as unpopular. I don't know if I agree with this or not (on general grounds), it's extremely complicated.
In theory it's completely OK to have a community for a restricted but non-private demographic, and often it's how you avoid a crowd of "excuuuuse me, I'm going to debate the same stale points over and over, and I expect you to waste your time with me".
In practice we know that there's a high chance that the community evolves into an echo chamber, of the dumbest type - that claps to convenient idiocy, but ridicules inconvenient truth.
If it's sensible to have a community like this, as well as the outcome of having it like this, depends mostly on the sanity of whoever is in charge of the comm.
[Edited for subtle rewording. No change on discourse.]
I don’t know about anyone else, but I don’t have time to read every rule for every community that pops up when I’m in view all
This is exactly what made subreddits turn into an indistinguishable mush once they start reaching the front page. A way to not have your community show up in All would be nice, or to make posts read-only unless you're subscribed.
I don't think this opinion is really all that unpopular, but I get that this sub is often used to air grievances and somewhat popular opinions, so I won't judge too harshly.
Pretty impressive modlog rap sheet you got there OP! I had my last account for over a year and I don't think I got banned or had a comment removed once, so seeing an account with dozens of entries is eye opening to say the least. This account is new enough that I've managed to stay off the modlogs so far with it as far as I'm aware. Maybe I should go into a random sub and say something racist and/or toxic! Are there any dog specific communities where I can request dog meat recipes?
You're gonna see that a lot on Lemmy unless you fall in line and don't say anything they wanna call a "dog whistle".