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The original was posted on /r/ufos by /u/36_39_42 on 2024-09-23 15:06:38+00:00.
First off, it's entirely possible that through his engagement with Italian fascists in Ethiopia in 1935 Wild Bill Donovan gleaned information about crash retrieval efforts happening back in Italy at the time. His visit was right before the finalized construction of the sorrate bunker so it's abundantly possible he heard information about this aswell. He met with mussolini and hitler at that time. Hitler would later call Donovan out in his speech where he declared war on America, calling him unworthy.
Donovan was conducting intelligence for mostly private organizations associated with Wall street and the state department at the time because the USA lacked any formal centralized intelligence apparatus. Bill Donovan would go on to help create that for the USA.
When considering Allen Dulles and James Angleton there was a lot of intrigue and complicated connections but for how Donovan was connected to the Magenta crash recovery in 1944 by the Americans it's extremely simple.
He was there. On the ground. Organizing the actual recovery of the object, negotiating and connecting with the vatican. He likely watched it get hauled on the truck and driven away. As an old man already; heading headlong into battle in his mind struggling to create a better future for humanity. He publicly opposed dictators and totalitarianism in a way neither Allen Dulles or James Angleton never did. His position was a lot less muddy.
He was an Irish catholic and did not dwell in an ivory tower. He faced death and was brave in the face of it countless times. He was a controversial figure, with those like Allen Dulles looking down on him. Elite Protestants were particularly un-fond of Donovan who had arranged many of America's premier Elite to be arrested at a country club he was a member of that routinely flouted the law during prohibition, while advocating for harsh punishment for poor people involved in alcohol consumption. He obviously felt this injustice down to his core enough to act, at the time a strong proponent of prohibition of alcohol.
The source above proves multiple things of interest. Donovan was at the landing of Anzio as it happened. He was in Rome and operating north of Rome the entire time it was going on (hint; right near the soratte bunker) this is the only opportunity Americans had in the war period to get close to pulling off an operation in the area of Rome like retrieving a craft from a highly sought after bunker. The competing and multi faceted interests of the Italian landscape would have made such a thing impossible as the end of the war happened and the shifting loyalties of the nation promoted a state of utter chaos across Italy until several years after the war where American friendly regimes were secured as some of the CIA’s earliest operations.
This is especially true because Kesselring took on the soratte bunker as his headquarters. Many parties and people were aware of this and particularly the strategic importance of the bunker, for many different reasons. America through the British had the ULTRA intelligence coming out of the bunker and Kesselring was in charge of the German defense operating in Italy from his position in the Soratte bunker. Donovan had full access to everything as the head of the OSS and considering the psychology of the time it makes sense that the most sensitive and important operations would fall to the highest ranking member of the OSS.
It's important to understand how deeply important the theater of Rome was to the rest of the world at the end of the war and how unlikely getting the craft was if it was done too late. The government in Italy was in a state of total collapse and regional power struggles reigned supreme for a time. The sorrate bunker was not secure for a good amount of time as a result.
Meaning that getting there and getting the craft itself and cleaning the site was a race against time that was understaffed by those under qualified to be involved in one of the most important moments in history as the custody of this object hung in the balance. Even after the craft was secure there was the separate and much more thorny matter of keeping it out of the hands of those who would publish it to the public, or quell those who try to do so.
It's my understanding that Allen Dulles personally oversaw this to great effect primarily by focusing on the intrigue surrounding the ciano diaries. We still have ALOT of ground to cover on that in a separate post so be patient for that.
Everything happened over a year and while the craft itself was secured in 1944 this was almost trivial in comparison to controlling those who knew about the craft because they wielded immense leverage with that knowledge. That's why Donovan is writing about sunrise to the president nearly a year later and it's essentially still the same situation developing as when the craft itself was recovered.
After Kesselring bounced from sorrate it took him a while to agree to sunrise and it's clear that he did so when it was in favor for him to do so, being the cold calculating and mistrustful person that Kesselring was at his rotten core.
When Allen Dulles finally got Kesselring to come around to the sunrise negotiations through Karl Wolff long after Kesselring declared Rome an open city while retreating back to Germany with the bulk of the Wehrmacht; the time right after the bunker was abandoned and the Allied line pushed north of rome have been around the exact time that Donovan swooped into the sorrate bunker under cover of secrecy and spirited the craft away back to America on one of the many constant “freedom” ships supplying the battle of anzio. It also had to happen before the allied bombing of the area for safety of personell. Ships went back and forth from Italy to America all over, and I'd be willing to bet that Wright Patterson was a smokescreen in history for the actual secure location of the craft.
Getting things down to a particular ship is going to be almost impossible due to the possibility the materials were stashed somewhere safe in Italy to make the transition secret and handled with the proper custody (with the dual purpose of obfuscating the event from history) however my intuition tells me that it's likely Donovan wouldn't have felt secure keeping the craft in Italy longer than it had to be there; so the ships that traversed around the date of Kesselring's departure from the sorrate bunker feel the most likely to me.
I don't expect to be able to determine the name of the ship the craft would have been on without expert guidance on the events of the battle of anzio, particularly someone who deeply understands and has access to information surrounding the supply lines of the battle of Anzio.
Would be especially curious to know if there was an outbreak of radiation sickness type symptoms among the crew of any of those ships. Or if there was a particular ship that was emperiled by UFO sightings in this timeframe.
Hopefully in the future I will get access to a person who can help me understand the structure and flavor of events associated with the battle of Anzio.
For donovan's part; there is a detailed account of donovan's participation in the link at the top of the post if you are interested in the particulars.
Now for something you must read if you read this far,
Read this.
This was Donovan informing the president of the sunrise negotiations.
Bill Donovan was in contact with the Vatican directly and saw Russian religious elements that were aligned with Communist ideals as an intense threat to the Vatican and American strategic interests around the globe. He saw the two power structures as intrinsically connected, protestant elements in America be damned.
When David Grusch mentioned backchanneling of information through the Vatican to America, on the ground at the time of the end of the war, the highest ranking person actually there in Rome most often was Bill Donovan. Meaning the most senior person representing American interests the most closely when it came to American secret operations having to do with Rome and the surrounding area was Bill Donovan. James Angleton was in his direct employ in Rome. James Angleton was the only American to have full and unequivocal access to ULTRA intelligence.
The document above was a top secret Memo sent directly to the president concerning this matter. It mentions belief permeating Germans in command that a secret weapon could extend the war, and expressed the reasoning for the secret negotiations themselves as related to this secret weapon.
Bill Donovan was personally present at the battle of anzio on the front lines and there are many reasons why this was the only tactical and strategic opportunity in the timeframe where Americans had access to Italy in a manner that would befit the recovery of a UFO.
Bill Donovan was a catholic and while believing in a measure of separation of church and state, still saw the matters of government as divinely influenced and therefore his religious beliefs often influenced his decision making on important issues.
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