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[–] leds@feddit.dk 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

OK what about the factory that makes the machines in the chip factory..

[–] QuizzaciousOtter@lemm.ee 2 points 5 days ago

This one is called ASML and I assume they don't do tours too.

[–] elbucho@lemmy.world 154 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I mean, anything can look like a conspiracy to a layperson who pays zero attention to 60 years of incremental progress and focuses solely on the end result. It's the same reason why people think vaccines are evil, or that 5G towers cause COVID.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

But also, it would be nice to invest a bit more in science and engineering (with smaller class sizes, more educated teachers, and more hands on experimentation) rather than doing "teach the controversy" shit in auditorium sized rooms full of kids who have already been indoctrinated to believe in magic.

[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I was of the understanding, it was in fact covid that caused 5g towers.

I think there's something in that for all of us... mmmm yes

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You mean like how autistic persons cause vaccines?

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I’ll wait until Jenny McCarthy tells me chips are made by aliens, thank you very much.

You can’t believe everything you read, y’know.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 6 days ago

Aliens caused covid, so the covid vaccines caused autism, so the autistic people create 5G and microchips to propell out species forward.

thanks, aliens

[–] SirQuackTheDuck@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

5G towers do cause covid. Without 5G my WiFi would be far too shitty to book a cinema seat and get nice and infected by Karen her unvaccinated crotch goblins.

Edit: yes I am looking at a different provider.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 83 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I could probably build a computer from scratch, but it's not gonna be a modern one with impossibly small microchips and bajillions of transistors. It's gonna be a room-sized behemoth with only like 8bits of memory that takes 24 hours to compute 1+1.

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago

Sounds like something an alien would say, which is just what you want me to think!

[–] Psaldorn@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Check out Ben Eater on YouTube.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I’m hoping the guy from Primitive Technology will eventually work his way up to that at some point.

[–] Psaldorn@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

They're playing one of those games where you crash on a planet and go from rock to bow and arrow to quantum phase disruptors, but for real.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Or Steve Mould, who made a processor calculation using water for demonstration purposes.

https://piped.video/watch?v=IxXaizglscw

[–] jqubed@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

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[–] weker01@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

He uses a microcontroller though for his breadboard PC. A microcontroller that is built in a fab.

[–] Psaldorn@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I was going to add that disclaimer, but it's also a step closer and interesting nonetheless.

I'd also recommend Breaking Taps, while he does amazing stuff in a home lab it also has the disclaimer that he's able to get it already has some super interesting but rare stuff. Electron microscope etc.

I thought I saw someone making homemade, low power processors but for the life of me I can't remember who or where.

[–] notthebees@reddthat.com 1 points 1 week ago

Sam Zeloof did it.

[–] technohacker@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago

That's the 6502 one you're talking about though, what about the previous one (granted it still used a bunch of ICs, but not a microcontroller per se)

You'd make Charles Babbage very smug with that kind of talk

[–] AngryPancake@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If you only care about adding numbers, you can e.g. do that using water or marbles. You only need to build an XOR gate, an AND gate and an OR gate.

In case of water, the gate will have two inputs as water streams. They should be aligned so that when the streams hit each other, the water will flow into a cup in the center of the apparatus. When the streams don't hit each other, the water passes the first cup and flows into another cup on the bottom. Carrying the water out at the bottom is the XOR gate, carrying the water out at the center is the AND gate and both cups together are the OR gate.

Then it's just about setting up the circuit and that would be a full adder without electronics.

[–] TheFerrango@lemmings.world 2 points 1 week ago

Reject modern devices, true computers require large rooms and the output of a small NPP to operate

[–] Vivendi@lemmy.zip 61 points 1 week ago

You can absolutely go on a tour inside a chip factory, just not in fucking TSMC

[–] Disaster@sh.itjust.works 57 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Apparently it IS possible to make IC's at home, obviously nothing approaching 5nm transistor gates and therefore the equivalent of lego blocks to precision machined parts... but anyways:

(apologies for the YT link.. I'd much rather link a service that isn't totally enshittified) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrEC2LGGXn0

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This stuff is half way up my professional alley and when I read it I had to think about the posts on hackaday the last 2 years which kind of document this new homebrew scene made of madmen.

[–] Disaster@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago

I know absolutely nothing beyond the lego-brick level of building and watercooling machines. No EE chops whatsoever... but this stuff is so interesting to me and maybe one day, cost and space no object, having a palatial garage or workshop to muck around in... Just knowing it's possible really is the half of it.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

I was thinking about making some miniature tubes, for audio purposes of course.

[–] temmink@feddit.org 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think TSMC's, a contract maker, market share is even 104.7%, not just around 61%. There are literally no other companies producing chips. Don't be fooled by sources telling you about a Korean company Samsung or made up words like Intel or Nvidia.

[–] panicnow@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

nVidia hallucinates—TSMC fabricates

[–] burgersc12@mander.xyz 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Roswell happened in 1947, first microchips in the 60s, makes sense to me!!

[–] petersr@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

The first point-contact transistor was invented in 1947. What a coincidence...

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Question: Why can aliens make it but humans can't?

[–] sirico@feddit.uk 9 points 1 week ago

We don't have thingwazzas

[–] SirQuackTheDuck@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Racism is a big work in progress in the intergalactic communities.