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[-] Izzy@lemmy.world 71 points 3 years ago

I've been seeing this a lot lately. Lots of bandwagoning going on. It is what it is though. People are fallible and often just follow the herd instead of thinking.

[-] Steve@communick.news 42 points 3 years ago

I can only imagine they meant 60% of the front view of the house. Otherwise that just seems insane.

[-] thantik@lemmy.world 49 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

But the problem is, words mean things. A lot of people unfortunately, put the wrong words down - and they think internally that it makes sense, but there is context missing in the words they put down. I've had entire conversations that went on for days, only for me to be 20 threads deep, and the person say "I mentioned that!!", and I ask for them to show me where...only for them to realize they've been angry this whole time over something they assumed I was ignoring or misrepresenting. Turns out, they just simply internalized whatever it was, and didn't write it.

[-] Steve@communick.news 6 points 3 years ago

We are entirely on the same page

[-] sweafa@discuss.tchncs.de 39 points 3 years ago

square feet must look funny

[-] blazera@kbin.social 33 points 3 years ago
[-] MrMusAddict@lemmy.world 22 points 3 years ago

Wow, what an awe-inspiring counter-example, lol

[-] Rognaut@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago

Am I not supposed to like that? Cause I really like that house design. Garage for days.

[-] BURN@lemmy.world 13 points 3 years ago

That looks amazing. I’d actually have space to work on a project car, plus store my daily, as well as extra storage, probably a server rack and a whole bunch of other stuff. One of the things I notice most about living in an apartment vs my childhood home is how much storage space we had in our garage.

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[-] somedaysoon@lemmy.world 32 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

It's interesting you're proving your point by your own post being upvoted right now.

The initial number of 42% isn't that far off of reality. My own garage/shop is 36% right now. And I will at some point add onto it. Right now it is 25'x32' and I would like another 20' on it. Then it would be 25'x52' and 48%. And I live right in town, on a regular 1/4 acre lot.

There are defintely houses in Wisconsin here that are at 60%. I can go on realtor.com right now and find properties with large pole sheds and garage spaces that account for 60%.

I don't see any claims of majority, just that it can happen. And it definitely does, unless you don't consider steel frame buildings and pole sheds, but why wouldn't you? Here is one example, and another example, and another example, but I could find plenty of others. Just go on realtor.com search Wisconsin and set garage spaces to 3+ and maximum home size to 2250 sq feet and you will see plenty of examples of 60% and even greater.

Another one. Another one. Okay. I'm done now because I'm starting to get garage envy looking at some of these.

[-] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 years ago

I don't know if I'm supposed to upvote you because I like your comment or downvote you for being right.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago

Use one instance for the upvote, and one instance for the downvote, and then tell everyone Drew Carrie was right, the points don't matter.

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[-] Cataphract@lemmy.ko4abp.com 5 points 3 years ago

unless you don’t consider steel frame buildings and pole sheds, but why wouldn’t you?

You do not, in fact, count those buildings towards your houses square footage. Doing so would open yourself up to all sorts of liability.

Covered, enclosed porches can only be included if heated and using the same system as the rest of the house. Garages, pool houses, guest houses, or any rooms that require you to leave the finished area of the main house to gain access are not counted in the square footage of a house. source

The only common situations in which the exact size of a home may be legally important would be:

  1. For tax appraisal purposes
  2. For qualifying for a certain mortgage or home equity loan
  3. If a buyer has already bought, or at least has signed a contract on a home, and now claims that fraud was committed because the home is not as large as advertised. source

For further considerations of those that are interested (ANSI Draft, figure 1, page 6, outside source as the real ansi website is just atrocious to navigate and I'm not gonna dox myself by loading up local code.)

As shown, the upper-level plan has an open foyer and a protruding window that does not extend to the floor; neither area contributes to the square footage of the upper level. The calculated finished square footage of the entry level does not include the protruding fireplace, covered patio, garage, or unfinished laundry. The finished area of the basement is counted toward the below- grade finished square footage in its entirety, including the area under the stairs that descend from the entry level. The area of the unfinished utility room is calculated by using the method prescribed in the standard but is not included in the below-grade finished square footage.

All that aside, you're slapping a 25'x52' shed onto your 1/4 acre property? That's almost 20% of your land use not including lot encroachment setback, drainage, and basic driveway/building infrastructure. It's your property so definitely do as you wish, but to think this is a common practice or a desirable thing outside of niche hobbyists or being used for work related activities/storage is nonsense. Neighborhood flooding, no natural green spaces for habitats, it all sounds like a horrible dystopia on your mini-compound.

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[-] AtomfriedMegaforce@lemmy.world 24 points 3 years ago

Downvoting it just for using imperial units✊

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 23 points 3 years ago

If they add in the driveway the area would probably be about the same as the house.

If we also add in the necessary roads and parking lots,it is pretty obvious that cars are creating a self-induced demand.

We need to have cars because we need to drive around space for cars.

[-] ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 years ago

Still beats the space and maintenance needs of a horse and buggy.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 years ago

And the maintenance! I've shoveled horse shit for a living before, and let me tell ya, turning a wrench is much better.

[-] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 21 points 3 years ago

Larger garages are more environmentally friendly. My garage is huge compared to my house. It has 2 cars, a laundry, and all of the stuff I don't use every day.

This is an area that is not heated or cooled. By having all the storage in the garage, I can get by with less living space.

Garages are cheaper per square metre than rooms, so you save money there too.

You get all the stuff into the same size house, but with less building materials, less heating and cooling costs, and less clutter in your house.

[-] Asifall@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago

Wouldn’t it be more environmentally friendly to store your cars outside and not have a garage?

[-] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago

My car is 20 years old and has zero rust. The environmental footprint of manufacturing a car is huge. They last much longer in a garage. It also doesn't need to get washed as often. Washing has an environmental overhead too.

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[-] Omgarm@lemmy.world 21 points 3 years ago

When you accidentally consider your hyperbole to be factual.

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 years ago

This just gets worse when you use what developers call a two car garage now. 24x24 would be awesome, it's more like 18x20 now despite bigger cars.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 19 points 3 years ago

We are in that bucket and in this stupid country there aren't many smaller cars anymore. We're looking for a decent EV that is small and would fit in our garage. I think we have like, 2 options. Everything out there is some crossover SUV bullshit. I don't want a giant car, I just want something smaller and comfortable for 2 people.

[-] ZodiacSF1969@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

This sort of thing has always happened.

I do find it particularly infuriating when it's a topic I'm knowledgeable in/involves my profession. But then I remember most people are stupid and it doesn't bother me too much.

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[-] drathvedro@lemm.ee 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

Blame the system. Rating system was a good idea to encourage community self-moderation. But,most people treat upvotes/downvotes as likes/dislikes, even when specifically asked to use them differently. And, because of that, places with rating systems inevitably boil down to circlejerking, infobubbles, and tribalism. Too bad the only alternatives are spamholes, chaotic messes with power-tripping moderators, and AI blackboxes designed to control your mind.

[-] lugal@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago

AI blackboxes designed to control your mind.

They aren't designed to control your mind but to make money. The mind thing is a side effect.

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[-] Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz 13 points 3 years ago

Many users vote based on emotions here. I often see well written comments with the sources linked and everything, being downvoted, and some low effort reply with an opinion is upvoted, though factually incorrect.

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[-] such_lettuce7970@kbin.social 11 points 3 years ago
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[-] TheControlled@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago

I applaud your bitterness. Bravo!

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