Restraint : memes

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago

My favorite thing to do when i see someone hating on hexbear or .ml is check out the modlog to find why they're so angry and it's almost always funny

[+] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 22 points 5 days ago

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[–] StarlightDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Liberals learned the word tankie from anarchists on Lemmy but they never learnt what it means so they call now call anyone unwilling to vote for the slightly less conservative but still conservative war mongerer. I don't even live in the US.

[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

This, I'm not even citizen of US and they tried to force me to vote, when i mentioned that i am not a citizen of USA, they blew up with "it's not for you then", who was they writing to then? Or as long as they don't know which citizenship you have, you're USA citizen by default, and subject to propaganda

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Scissors rattle loudly

[–] EABOD25@lemm.ee 11 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Can't speak for everyone, but I have HB blocked so I don't think about them at all until someone from one of those instances comes and tries to stir the pot. I think they think more about other instances than getting thought of

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[–] elidoz@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 days ago (4 children)

what is this about? are different lemmy instances having beef?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 5 days ago

It's the general Liberal vs Leftist fighting.

[–] lengau@midwest.social 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Mostly people who defend far-right aggression and pretend their stances are "leftist" getting upset when they get called out on their bullshit.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Are the "far-right agression" defenders in the room right now? What imaginary enemy have you concocted?

[–] lengau@midwest.social -2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Are you saying there aren't people who defend aggressive actions by far-right politicians? That there aren't people who defend Netanyahu, Putin and Trump?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There's nobody defending Netanyahu, Putin, and Trump, and claiming to be Leftist.

[–] lengau@midwest.social -4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Are you saying there's nobody who defends all three and claims to be a leftist? Because that I'd say I've never seen. But I've certainly seen various accounts claiming to be leftists and defending one or two of them.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 days ago

What do you consider "defending?" No Leftist I have ever seen likes Putin, Trump, or Netanyahu, which means either you have an interesting idea of what "defending" means or you are yet another "left" anticommunist.

[+] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 5 days ago (2 children)

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The Communists built Lemmy, there are going to be Communists on Lemmy.

[+] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm fine with communists. My economical political views could be considered communist, too

Calling Communists "tankies" makes me doubt this.

But tankies defending russian wars of aggression, relativizing Stalin and labeling every political view they don't like as liberals is just annoying.

Can you provide specific examples?

And while not every user on hexbear or lemmy.ee is a tankie, most tankies you see are on these instances.

What is a "tankie" to you? All Marxist-Leninists? Defenders of AES?

[+] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 days ago

Where did I do this? Why do you just "doubt" based on something that never happened?

You literally did at the beginning of this comment chain. The idea of a Communist calling other Communists "tankies" is a bit silly.

You yourself. You said Stalin was no dictator. You lumped conservatives with liberals together.

Stalin wasn't a dictator according to the CIA itself. If using historical evidence and proper analysis makes me a "tankie," then sure. Conservatives are a type of liberal as well, yes.

Authoritarians calling themselves communists or socialists. Online, in discussions, this usually is expressed by relativizing oppressive regimes that call themselves communist or socialist, like China or USSR. Like you do.

The PRC is Socialist, and the USSR was Socialist. I don't see how anyone labeling themselves a Socialist or a Communist could genuinely believe otherwise unless they haven't read theory. Would you mind explaining? According to you, authoritarians are just Communists who have actually read Marx, Engels, Lenin, etc.

Why do you think I generalize? Projection? In this very thread I made very clear I don't generalize.

You're all over the place, you denounce AES yet call yourself a Communist, you call Communists tankies, it's all very weird.

I can make recommendations for a basic theory reading list if you want.

[+] lengau@midwest.social -6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Not just that, but some of the loudest voices do more harm than good for leftism.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Yep, "left" anticommunists are a known phenomena propped up by the US state department.

[–] Maeve@midwest.social 3 points 4 days ago

I've been wondering if a certain instance (not threads, a whole other discussion) might be more used than other instances, because I've also noticed a marked difference in discussion and tone. I'm well aware a lot of it can be explained away by more users coming and my own understanding becoming more informed. It just seems more cacaphoneous now.

[–] lengau@midwest.social -5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Honestly I'm more worried about those who claim to be communists but do things that both go against the tenets of communism and make other communists look bad. Tankies are a subset of that.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Elaborate, what is this "tankie" and what do they do that "goes against the tenets of Communism."

[–] lengau@midwest.social -5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

How about you start by explaining what you think I mean?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I think you're yet another "left" anticommunist that hasn't read a word of theory, yet thinks reading wikipedia makes them an authority on Marxism. Hope I'm wrong!

[–] lengau@midwest.social -5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Please participate in good faith rather than just making accusations.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I was. I asked you to elaborate, then you deflected and asked what I thought you meant. I answered honestly, it wasn't an accusation, it was what you literally asked for. Please respond in good faith.

[+] lengau@midwest.social -5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You accused me, with no basis, of being anti-communist rather than answering what you think I mean.

You being anticommunist is what I thought you meant. Those aren't unrelated.

I asked what you think I meant because I wanted to know whether you have a different view of this than I do or were simply uninformed. But between your accusations, your deflection, and your condescending responses to me, it's becoming pretty clear to me that you're not willing to discuss this in good faith. But maybe you can prove me wrong.

I have been acting in good-faith, you have been beating around the bush this entire time.

Let's start out with an easy one. What do you think I meant by "tankies"?

Communists, Marxists, Marxist-Leninists, etc. Anyone that actually defends AES and doesn't repeat US State Department Propaganda about the Global South.

[–] lengau@midwest.social -4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

You being anticommunist is what I thought you meant. Those aren’t unrelated.

So you think that what I meant by "I’m more worried about [some people who] make other communists look bad" was that I'm an anti-communist? That seems highly unlikely. If I were anti-communist, surely I'd love those people precisely because they make communists look bad?

I have been acting in good-faith

Literally your first response to me in this entire thread was uncivil condescension.

Communists, Marxists, Marxist-Leninists, etc. Anyone that actually defends AES and doesn’t repeat US State Department Propaganda about the Global South.

Yeah that's not what I mean by Tankies, and it's not what most people mean by tankies. Not all marxist-leninists are tankies, for example. In fact I'd go out on a limb and say most aren't. But those who try to sweep under the rug the bad things that nominally-communist states have done are tankies, and they give other communists, other marxists, other marxist-leninists, and indeed all other leftists a bad name. (As an aside, most of the time those things were done by state-capitalist governments, not communist ones.)

doesn’t repeat US State Department Propaganda about the Global South.

I'm actually from the Global South. I can promise you the US state department is full of shit. As are most Americans who speak about it, including most American leftists.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 days ago

So you think that what I meant by "I’m more worried about [some people who] make other communists look bad" was that I'm an anti-communist? That seems highly unlikely. If I were anti-communist, surely I'd love those people precisely because they make communists look bad?

"Left" anticommunism is a thing. People who claim to be leftists yet bash leftists.

Literally your first response to me in this entire thread was uncivil condescension.

I don't agree.

Yeah that's not what I mean by Tankies, and it's not what most people mean by tankies. Not all marxist-leninists are tankies, for example. In fact I'd go out on a limb and say most aren't. But those who try to sweep under the rug the bad things that nominally-communist states have done are tankies, and they give other communists, other marxists, other marxist-leninists, and indeed all other leftists a bad name. (As an aside, most of the time those things were done by state-capitalist governments, not communist ones.)

Mind explaining what "state-capitalist governments" that are supposedly supported by "tankies?" This is where I believe you're going for the "left" anticommunist bit. The whole "no true Communist movements" idea is "left" anticommunism.

I'm actually from the Global South. I can promise you the US state department is full of shit. As are most Americans who speak about it, including most American leftists.

Cool, that doesn't mean you can't be a "left" anticommunist.

[–] Maeve@midwest.social 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Literally your first response to me in this entire thread was uncivil condescension.

Can you please copy and paste what bit seems so to you?

[–] lengau@midwest.social 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Here's a link: https://lemmy.ml/comment/14025222

[–] Maeve@midwest.social 2 points 4 days ago

Maybe. I'm just so used to it on another instance by moderators who ever ban for "civility", it doesn't even phase me. Maybe read past the words to the meaning. And don't wander into any irc channels, if that causes you offense.

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[–] coffee_with_cream@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The tone of conversation on Lemmy has changed significantly lately.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Has it? It's the same as it always is, though with the US election I guess the liberal side is getting more scratched.

[–] coffee_with_cream@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago

There are definitely bots on here stoking anger

[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

There are other, more introspective, ways to react to widespread and ongoing negative reception.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 days ago

Technically true, though that also applies to liberals.

[–] LaserTurboShark69@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago

It never gets old coming to these threads and seeing all the removed by moderator

[–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone -3 points 5 days ago

Leftists when they haven’t complained about “the libs” for 5 minutes

[+] SsxChaos@lemmy.ml -4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 days ago

Why? It's correct.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I've learned from TokenBoomer that Liberals will upvote any leftie meme when they can dissociate themselves from being the perpetrator being described in the meme.

While necessary and a great way to introduce people to a cause, at a certain point someone has to point out the elephant in the room.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 days ago

This is 100% correct, liberals love portraying themselves as the "left resistance" and not the status quo.

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