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We're in a post-truth world. The corporate media have normalized candidates that just stand there and tell lie after lie with little pushback.
I don't know how, or if it's even possible, to get back to the days when lying assholes got treated like lying assholes.
I refuse to believe it's "post"-truth. It's a truth recession.
We have more overt fact-checking. if that trend continues, it can help push back on the patent falsehoods.
I'll debate the goals and methods of one party vs another, and I'll accept that one of them will have really bad ideas. Fact check the lies so they have to support their points on facts, that is, and I'll accept it.
We have more overt fact-checking. if that trend continues, it can help push back on the patent falsehoods.
We don't though. Fact checking after the debate is of limited use. If you don't confront a lie the second it's told, the liar will rapidly go on to tell more lies and you end up with a Gish gallop of bullshit which is what we saw from Vance and Trump. They got away with it. A fact checking article on NPR the morning after does very little.
Headline:
Trump ponders if we should nuke a hurricane. [Insert literally anyone else's name here] thinks that's probably a bad idea bUT iS iT?
You're got to take both sides seriously. If you don't you're a part of the woke, East coast liberal media elite and that's just like, really bad.
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I don’t know how, or if it’s even possible, to get back to the days when lying assholes got treated as lying assholes.
We need to send the assholes to space, where they can go fuck up some other planet.
(Yes, I know what happened to the Golgafrinchans when they sent all the middlemen - or the 'useless population' - in to space).
I nominate Venus, I hear it's nice this time of year.
See also Emergency Skin by NK Jemison.
There is not and never will be anything called "post-truth".
They're just liars.
To me, post-truth doesn't really mean "everyone lies all the time", rather it means that on contentious issues, there is no single perspective or narrative universally accepted as "the truth".
In 2024, facts and information is so readily available that its possible to find "facts" to support whatever perspective or position you want, even disingenuously.
Just a few decades ago, facts and information came from news papers and the evening news on TV. There was no "choose your own adventure" nonsense.
That doesn't really have much to do with trump and Vance, they just plain lie all the time and their voters don't care, because they're "low information" voters. That's not really what posy truth is about IMO.
That’s not really what posy truth is about IMO.
I largely agree with what you said but Trump and Vance's lies are a contributing factor to our post truth world. They're following people like Putin and trying to create an environment where the truth is malleable to the point of being worthless and people are conditioned to believe there is no longer such a thing as objective truth because that environment gives them the greatest chance of maintaining power.
That's a whole lot of Vance with, what should be, his foot in his mouth. Unfortunately nothing will come of it.
Walz' correction was his admitting he fucked up something. I guess they needed to "fact check" him on something otherwise the right would scream persecution.
It's a lot easier to not lie, but less profitable for the masters.
otherwise the right would scream persecution.
Don't worry, they'll do that anyway.
I was actually pleasantly surprised by his admission to misspeaking, even though some pundits considered him unprepared for the question. Kind of a breath of fresh air hearing that instead of some distraction.
Personally that moment made him a bit more relatable to me, contrasting with Vance and his stream of lies and excuses.
Good God it's all Vance.
Actually listening to NPR earlier, fact checking guest said both sides have always lied, but GOP has always lied more even prior to Trump. JD on stage reminds me of those days where it's told straight as a cohesive argument, is still a lie, but harder to detect because the lie isn't told like a batshit conspiracy theory.
Those kind of lies are the kind I hate most, although I guess America has shown that idiots will eat up even the batshit crazy lies...
2005 the word truthiness was coined https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness
We live in a post-truthiness world. Nobody cares any more if the lies seem plausible.
Spoiler: Vance lied a hell of a lot. And I didn’t even have to watch to know this.
Most of the time Vance was lying or distorting everyone's record. Falsely and with bigotry blaming much on immigrants. Typical Republican.
This is nice but almost no one is going to see it unless they do a follow up with the same viewership.