this post was submitted on 05 Oct 2024
45 points (82.6% liked)

United States | News & Politics

7153 readers
290 users here now

founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
 

By Ralph Nader October 5, 2024

top 14 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] Minarble@aussie.zone 1 points 3 hours ago

I watched it. It was clearly a mistake he meant to say Iran. Even Vance was confused by what he said. Who are Israel’s proxies? “Iran and its proxies” is a very common line used to describe the various organisations with links to and support from Iran and Waltz was nervous at the start of the debate and stumbling his lines.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 3 points 5 hours ago

She's not a progressive tho. Why would you expect her to gave progressive policies?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Spoiler: she won't. Werhmacht Walz already expressed support for "Greater Israel," ie accelerated and expanded settler-colonialism and genocide.

Harris supports Israel because the US Empire needs it. It serves as a rabid dog for the US to terrorize the Middle East, securing the Petro-Dollar by which the US maintains monopoly over global Financial Capital, and Imperialism in the Global South.

She will not change, it isn't a moral issue but an economic one.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Zionist. They're both Zionists.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 hours ago

Absolutely.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Werhmacht Walz already expressed support for "Greater Israel,"

Holy shit where?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Oh. I don't think he meant physical expansion of the country's borders, but you never know with these people.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

The number of Zionists who don't want to expand is quite few. If you're a Zionist, then you're a colonialist by definition.

Colonialists gonna colonize.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

This is in the context of Israel trying to annex parts of Lebanon, Israeli real estate is already frothing at the mouths looking for apartments to rent. If it isn't intentional, it's extremely ignorant.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

In that case holy shit what the fuck? Like did he seriously have to say that in this political climate? Why is nobody talking about this?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Many Leftists are talking about this, the problem is that Liberals are weathervanes, they attack the fascists when the fascists are in charge and attack the leftists when the Liberals are in charge.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 2 points 24 minutes ago

the problem is that Liberals are weathervanes

In every American community, you have varying shades of political opinion. One of the shadiest of these is the liberals. An outspoken group on many subjects. Ten degrees to the left of center in good times, ten degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally

[–] VintageTech@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago

When you're talking about the loss of American Citizens, sometimes you've got to pander to the American people.