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In their effort to “exert total control” over religion and to “sinicise” Catholic and Protestant Christianity, the authorities have “ordered the removal of crosses from churches [and] replaced images of Jesus Christ or the Virgin Mary with pictures of President Xi Jinping,” the report said.

The report concluded that “every facet of religious life for Buddhists, Catholics and Protestant Christians, Muslims, and Taoists” was facing pressure to incorporate CCP ideology, and religious elements considered contradictory to the state’s political agenda were being eradicated.

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[–] IMNOTCRAZYINSTITUTION@lemmy.world 126 points 4 days ago (3 children)

the spectre of communism immaculately impregnated mao, who gave birth to xi.

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 57 points 4 days ago

The holy Xinity

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

the father son and holy ghost

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

The father, the son, the Winnie the Pooh.

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 33 points 3 days ago (12 children)

An outrageous claim from the Telegraph. I need a second source.

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[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Found this:

While we found evidence of both the removal of crosses from churches and the replacement of holy images with that of Xi in China, we find that the reports on the replacement of holy images with Xi to be potentially misleading in some ways in the social media posts.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

"During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime's atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn't go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them.

If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum."

-Michael Parenti, Blackshirts and Reds

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 76 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Hey, finally, a religion tankies are comfortable with!

[–] tal@lemmy.today 39 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Upon further consideration, it was decided that perhaps what Marx had meant was that certain varieties of opium were, in fact, good for the people.

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[–] StraponStratos@lemmy.sdf.org 45 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 18 points 4 days ago (8 children)

As a Muslim this is one of the times I'm glad paintings of humans and animals are haram in Islam. We don't got none of that shit in mosques (or anywhere else, really).

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Many mosques in Xinjiang are reportedly damaged or destroyed though. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-67483202.amp

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[–] Saleh@feddit.org 6 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Also Islam rejects intercessors. We pray to Allah s.w.t. and only to him. We asked for forgiveness for our sins from him and him alone. The prophets and messangers a.s. were all humans of best character and faith, which is why they were honored but also challenged with their tasks.

This is why countries like China are particularly oppressive towards Islam. The faith is structured in a way that makes it more difficult to coopt it into exerting control over people for a government. Unfortunately we see (partly) successfull attempts at it like in Saudi Arabia. But they also control two of the holyest sites with Meqqa and Medina.

If i understand correctly China is oppressing Buddhism more strongly too because it is also not well controllable. But i have to admit that i know little about the details of buddhist spirituality/religion.

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 50 points 4 days ago (3 children)
[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago

Same shit, different century. Ever look up the actual history of Christmas or Easter? They were pagan holidays and Christian rulers forced everyone to jam as much Christian stuff into them as they could.

It's literally one of the oldest tricks in the book.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Honestly, concerns over the possibility that religion might be a political opponent and trying to neutralize it by replacing figures with one's own are not new.

It's just a little unusual to have it happening in 2024 between gods and secular leaders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_syncretism

Religious syncretism is the blending of religious belief systems into a new system, or the incorporation of other beliefs into an existing religious tradition.

This can occur for many reasons, where religious traditions exist in proximity to each other, or when a culture is conquered and the conquerors bring their religious beliefs with them, but do not succeed in eradicating older beliefs and practices.

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[–] 418_im_a_teapot@sh.itjust.works 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

I was so hoping to see pictures of mother Mao hold baby Xi

[–] ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago (2 children)

she came into the manger, way overdue,

and plonked herself down next to the ewe.

then -- leaning back on the cow --

did she, the great chairman mao,

immaculately embirth winnie the pooh.

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[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 4 days ago (3 children)
[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 4 days ago

Ai had difficulty to do a nativity scene without Mary 😀

[–] bcgm3@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)
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[–] FarFarAway@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I had to double check to see if this was an onion article.

[–] nickiwest@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

To be honest, I don't trust The Telegraph any more than I trust The Onion. At least The Onion is straightforward about what they are.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

The Onion is quite accurate, they just publish too early.

[–] BlucifersVeinyAnus@sh.itjust.works 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Which one is Mary, and which Jesus?

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 23 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Obviously Mao is Mary, giving birth to Xi the Jesus, that will be betrayed by his own government.

Can't say China is anti lgbt now as Mao Zhedong is trans all along.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 13 points 4 days ago

Mother Mao-ry and little baby Xi-sus.

[–] Zer0_F0x@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I need to see the nativity scene version of this! But with Xi's old face on baby Jesus.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Religion is the opiate of the masses and the CCP insists on being the only dealer around

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 12 points 4 days ago (3 children)

When I see tankie lemmings, I just point to this type of stuff....

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I watched "The Man in the High Castle", and the Christian imagery and symbolism in a former Christian Church were replaced with Nazi symbolism. I thought it was a bit farfetched, but now hearing something similar being done by China as part of totalitarianism, it is rather spooky. I've heard religious buildings being destroyed, but converting places of worship and blatantly removing its past to align with state ideology is far more surreal and haunting, and I am an agnostic atheist.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The end goal of fascism, per Mussolini:

"All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."

Fascism innately rejects the concept of the separation of powers and human rights alike.

If you view the traditional three pillars of heirarchy and power in a capitalist society as the state, the corporations, and the church, the absorbtion of both corporate and church power is simply the end goal. You might also ask "couldn't the corporate powers or churches effectively do the same thing by absorbing the others instead?"

Funnily enough, Hirohito and Japan had already effectively absorbed that pillar of power with State Shinto and the literal deification of the imperial line.

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[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 4 points 3 days ago

Oh ya, it's time for Hot Xi Summer.

[–] Fontasia@feddit.nl 7 points 3 days ago (5 children)

This worked out great for Lenin and Stalin who just skipped the middle step and outlawed the church, then put their statues everywhere

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[–] Shard@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Saint Winnie the Pooh

Seriously the onion can't keep up with reality.

[–] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I can't wait to go Christmaos Jinping this year! They just put in a new Target in the workers quarter.

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