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[–] kbal@fedia.io 98 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Right, so the plan is to spend 20 years and 40 petawatt hours building a machine to answer the Great ℚuestion of what we should do about climate change. If it works, the answer will be "you should've stopped burning fossil fuels twenty years ago."

[–] burble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Oh no what do about all this waste heat?"

"Generate more waste heat"

[–] mountainriver@awful.systems 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Repeat until a machine that can create God is built. Then it's God's problem.

But it must be a US God, otherwise China wins.

[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago (5 children)

The US god will team up with the Chinese god and the Russian god to beat the crap out of us.

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[–] luciole@beehaw.org 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The model will just go "42" on and on and it'll be the first decent joke a neural network produces. It'll be worth it in a way.

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 13 points 1 month ago

I could absolutely see an LLM telling us that 6 times 9 is 42 unless there's special tinkering to prevent it.

[–] Smokeydope@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

"The answer is 34. Now here's the schematics to build an even better computer to ask the right question."

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 82 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This is the inevitable evolution of climate change denialism - accept it's real and happening, just that it's too late / too expensive to do anything about it.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 49 points 1 month ago (1 children)

musn't make the eight guys who own everything sad!

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

this "view" (of schmidt's) is probably the kind of shit that Really Expensive Analysts espouse at davos and in Private Advisory sessions to the kinds of people who go in for that; I've also heard it about GRT and "the collapse" and more

would be nice if we could know who all those dipshits are, and who they've preached to

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 14 points 1 month ago

it's clear this was a well rehearsed pitch - the twitter video linked is the two minute version of the same pitch

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[–] eatthecake@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm quite surprised that religious fundamentalists haven't pivoted to calling it punishment from god yet.

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[–] gedhrel@lemmy.world 42 points 1 month ago (4 children)

When the AI says, "turn off the fucking data centres, invest in public transport, apply progressive redistributive taxation," it'll be first against the wall no doubt.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"oh no, the Basilisk is woke"

[–] atthecoast@feddit.nl 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As a large language model the supposed AI will recombine and regurgitate the most common language on the topic, I don’t expect any novel solutions just talk of solar panels, EV’s and wind turbines…

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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yep.

Something I wrote a year ago in proposed reply to someone online but decided not to post:

https://gerikson.com/m/2023/04/index.html#2023-04-30_sunday_01

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[–] mii@awful.systems 39 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This will grant us “the arrival of an alien intelligence.” Those are Schmidt’s literal words.

Speaking of alien intelligences, my new Silicon Valley blood magic startup has come up with the idea of ritually sacrificing virgins in the hope of summoning Great Cthulhu or Azathoth, as they might have some ideas of solving the climate crisis.

Not a cult btw.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is basically the plot of Charles Stross' The Jennifer Morgue.

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[–] eatthecake@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago (4 children)

They think they're going to build a god to save us all. In the form of a perfectly rational machine (in their view), the perfect authoritarian. A mysterious algorithm noone can understand that must be correct because it's made of mathematics. I'm a little freaked out.

[–] rook@awful.systems 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They’re rebranding American Christian milenaranism. Much like the second coming and/or the rapture, the AGI god will be here Real Soon Now, so please pay your tithes and trust that the church fathers are doing the right thing.

Much like the older cults it mirrors, it isn’t capable of delivering on its promises, but it is capable of doing substantial amounts of regular damage in the meantime, and that’s the only thing worth freaking out about.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Jesus 2.0 is an AI, and he's American

[–] cstross@wandering.shop 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

@dgerard I dunno if you've read it but one of the wellsprings of this lunacy is "The Physics of Immortality" by Frank Tipler (1997), in which an astrophysics prof tries to square the circle of cosmological expansion and the resurrection through simulation, outing himself along the way as a very conflicted Christian fundamentalist who is determined to torture relativity until he can derive Jesus ... https://archive.org/details/frank-tipler-the-physics-of-immortality/mode/1up

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 9 points 1 month ago

oh yeah

and for the present, just how incredibly many of the rationalist subculture turn out to be ex-evangelicals

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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

AGI is going to be really pissed at us shoveling the problem onto it. "You humans could have started so many solutions decades ago, wtf?"

[–] antifuchs@awful.systems 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It’s the parable of the drowning man turning away all help because god will save him, all over again (except it’s floods and mudslides and forest fires)

[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And when he dies, god tells him "I sent you two boats and a helicopter".

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Cyberpunk fantasy: corporations' top level hierarchy is full of greedy, soulless, ruthless, cold and calculist people

Reality: corporations' top level hierarchy is full of greedy, soulless people you thought only existed as satire in The Onion

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 28 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Where's that person who was arguing with me last time that AI doesn't actually use that much energy and the corps missing their climate goals was not AI related

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[–] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Aside from anything else, an "alien intelligence" will either:

  • Be immediately ignored and villianized for "not understanding humans" if they suggest any regulations or caps on superfluous waste that might have any economic impact.
  • Be the perfect proxy delivery-entity for whatever genocide-the-poor/build-Elysium/flee-to-seasteads plan the rich actually want, in which case its conclusions will be holy and $10000% perfect examples of divine insight.
[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 23 points 1 month ago

This is just completely deranged. What the hell.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

That's some proper out of this Universe, Narnia level thinking from Eric!

What's next? Climate Change will be solved if enough children ask it as a present from Santa Claus?

Or maybe something involving the Tooth Fairy. Eric seems like a Tooth Fairy guy rather than a Santa Claus guy.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

it's amazing how he spouts all this gibbering insanity in this calm rational-sounding engineer explaining things voice

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[–] istewart@awful.systems 22 points 1 month ago

crazy people who look sort of like me but younger.

giving away the game a bit, Mr. Schmidt

[–] maol@awful.systems 21 points 1 month ago

Eric Schmidt, genocidaire

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Delay tactics to avoid the inevitability that we need to abandon capitalism.

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 20 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I wonder if this signals being at peak hype soon. I mean, how much more outlandish can they get without destroying the hype bubble's foundation, i.e. the suspension of disbelief that all this would somehow become possible in the near future. We're on the level of "arrival of an alien intelligence" now, how much further can they escalate that rhetoric without popping the bubble?

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[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 16 points 1 month ago

Eric Schmidt trying to think of an AI conversation and coming up with "How do I build a house? Step 1: Hire a contractor ..." is like the Schmidt version of Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

[–] luciole@beehaw.org 12 points 1 month ago

"Alien intelligence" is the most pathetic excuse so far for the fact their models can't be made sense of.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 11 points 1 month ago

"Analytics shows that the ROI on your doomsday bunker will increase proportionally with the all-consuming fire's consumption rate."

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

So the same old CEO sentiment, profit over people.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 9 points 1 month ago

The system cannot be reformed.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

batmanslap STOP INVENTING NEW ITERATIONS OF "DADDY WILL SAVE ME!"

THERE IS NO FUCKING DADDY. DO THE WORK YOURSELF.

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