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[–] bekopharm@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 16 hours ago

The situation is really bad for consumers. Even with a Pi-Hole and a dumb TV and something like a Fire TV stick (they tend to send lots of telemetry too and apps like Toggo will nag you to oblivion to consent to data mining - if an app asks at all that is).

I'm slowly building up a Jellyfin library and yeah I jumped the hoops to find a non-smart TV. Wrote about it at https://beko.famkos.net/2022/11/27/on-non-smart-tvs/ and settled with a https://www.homex.eu/u55nt1000.html that ticked all my boxes:

☑ ~~cheap~~ affordable ☑ 4k (UHD) ☑ ~~dumb~~ non-Smart ☑ HDMI ☑ 55″

No idea about it's tuner though[1] alas it's not really any longer available in any market space today and I hope it will not die on us any time soon or the quest to find a new one starts again 🤓

[1] We've a decent external receiver that does all the work and HDMI juggling but even that thing is on the WiFi for software updates and in-house streaming but from what I can tell it behaves at least, which is probably just because it's old by now.

[–] resetbypeer@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

While they are at it take a look at car manufacturers too.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I bought a commercial digital signage TV. No Roku/Chromecast/whatever, but the damn thing STILL has Ethernet and Wi-Fi and nagged me about setting it up on the internet. I'm only buying computer monitors from here on out.

[–] 0x0@programming.dev 3 points 6 hours ago

Even monitors are beginning to become "smart" now...

[–] P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 13 hours ago

What do I do? I don't live in the US, by the way.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 70 points 1 day ago

One way to get Congress to act on this would be to remind them of how Robert Bork's video rental history got released. They very quickly realized that they all had the same sleazy movies on their rental list and passed a law making it illegal to share them.

Call your Congressmen and tell them that their smart TV is sending screenshots of whatever they're watching back to home base, including stuff that's not streamed, and there might be swift action.

Better yet, hack Samsung and leak it to the press. That'll definitely light a fire under them.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 65 points 1 day ago (11 children)

I blocked my two TVs from phoning home via my pihole. They are the two noisiest devices on my network, by leaps and bounds.

On a day of heavy usage, my phone and desktop may get ~2000 blocked requests combined. That’s high, but not unheard of. It just means I did a lot of browsing, with a lot of blocked ad requests. My TVs average somewhere around 7500 blocked requests per day, on days that I haven’t even turned them on. That’s an attempt to phone home every ~12 seconds. And it is much worse on days that I actually use them.

[–] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 7 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I got a 42" 4k computer monitor instead

[–] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

How many times the cost of a comparably-sized Trojan TV did that run you?

[–] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

1.2x

I also use it as a computer monitor though.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

To be clear though, that's largely because it is just repeating the same request over and over as it times out and retries. They're a lot less noisy when they actually connect successfully, though it is still undesirable for them to do so.

[–] 0x0@programming.dev 1 points 6 hours ago

Is it encrypted?

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[–] Mobiledecay@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago

So this is why my TV walked into the bathroom while I was dropping a deuce. 🤔

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’m more than happy to buy a TV that uses post-purchase monetization, because I am never going to connect that fucker to the internet. It’s a display. I shall use it as a display. I do not care that it can replace my streaming box. I fully control my streaming box, and I will use that.

If I catch it doing any sketchy shit like trying to use unsecured/Comcast/etc WiFi to phone home, it’ll be time to pull out the screwdriver, though.

[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 day ago (7 children)

What happens when it no longer needs your WiFi and uses something like LoRa to phone home with your data and location? It may not know who you are exactly but it'll have a good guess.

[–] suodrazah@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] NuclearDolphin@lemmy.ml 2 points 13 hours ago

The entire board

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[–] b3an@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Why do we continue to be ok with this? Where is the outrage and call for change?

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago

the overwhelming bulk of humanity cant be fucked to care about shit like this.. until it personally affects them.

Then they will wail like banshees about the great injustice of it all, and how could anyone let it happen to them.

[–] nexusband@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because it works and provides a use case. Most "simpletons" do not want to invest any more time in than putting some Account Data and start watching netflix or whatever. "We" (e.g. the people that care about data privacy and stuff) never have been okay with that shit...

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[–] PlantDadManGuy@lemmy.world 117 points 1 day ago (5 children)

If only our fucking government would do something about this and actually regulate these evil bastards.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago (5 children)

can we just ban online features from tvs, cars, printers, light bulbs etc.

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[–] secretfoxtail@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 day ago

They called me crazy.

[–] Nima@leminal.space 213 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (45 children)

my TV incurred my wrath by having the gall to show me a banner ad while I was in the middle of a game.

so I promptly cut its balls off. (disabled the internet entirely). now it is a dumb TV. and it behaves like a TV. and not an ad machine.

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[–] Lightrider@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Ahh yes, unlike all those non-capitalist modern nations with their complete lack of widespread insidious surveillance.

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