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Is the alternative that we all rent/buy (?) apartments? That sounds awful to me. I've lived in apartments my entire life and it is not pleasant due to the large amount of people that absolutely fucking suck. I would love to put some space between myself and these assholes. Ideally, I'd like to not really have neighbors at all after my lifetime of experiences.
The alternative is that not everything needs to be either a skyscraper or a single family home. The phenomenon is called "missing middle housing", even has a wiki article you can read. Some people need to live in a flat due to not being able to afford a house. Property value would drop if middle housing became a thing - because developers wouldn't be able to scalp you on a house you need to have, because you could just get a cheap flat instead. Living in a 6-flat building is an entirely different thing from leaving in a huge block of flats too.
Like half of Europe lives like this.
That's interesting. While there are some outliers, there are only really 2 types of "urban" areas I've seen across the US. The single family/town home neighborhood and the apartment/businesses neighborhood. That's pretty broad, of course, but it covers a lot of it. Perhaps if there was more variety things would be better. I still think I'd like to move out of the city, personally, I'm burnt out on people.
Yeah its a major problem in the US.
Wanting a bigger, more spread out home is totally reasonable.
Townhomes, for the US.
Wait, I'm stupid and didn't read it all. I'm seeing a pattern of mistakes on my end.
Some of the best neighborhoods I've seen/lived in in America have been neighborhoods that were built ~100 years ago when zoning didn't really restrict things. You'd end up with mansions next to smaller homes next to duplexes and apartments. Some of the mansions end up divided into multi-unit housing. A person can be born in the neighborhood, and live their whole life there moving into different housing types as they need to. You can end up with greater social cohesion across age and socioeconomic ranges. If a kid from a working class family grows up in an apartment across the street from a wealthy kid, they will have more social mobility than of they were in segregated neighborhoods.
While there are other options which have been mentioned to death in the comments below. I'd also like to point out that this could be less of an issue if Apartments were not built like absolute trash shit garbage.
There is no reason you could not build an apartment by taking a standard single family home that you would find in a more rural like area and the simply stacking another one on top of it and continuing that until you no longer get approval to go higher.
Apartments are small, with crappy layouts, and generally cheap materials that makes it difficult to sound isolate. We don't have to make them like that we could just make an actual fucking house with proper materials and then just put another fucking house on top of it and another fucking house on top of that one and so on
Yeah my grandmother got a condo in a large condo development when she moved to the area and its incredible how I never hear any neighbors at all, meanwhile every apartment I've been in you can hear and sometimes smell the neighbors if they so much as have a conversation or try to cook. It all comes down to the quality of construction
Whenever people say this, my first response is: you should support building mixed use/mixed density.
You would have an easier time affording a single family home if there were a couple of duplexes, quad plexes, and low rise apartments around, with some small shops in the ground level.
Fewer people competing for the same single family homes and close access to bodegas and bistros. Easier time finding babysitters and dog walkers too.
We don't all have to love like Manhattan. Most of the nicest neighborhood in America are mixed density.
I used to think apartments sucked until I lived in a concrete and brick unit. It was amazing how quiet they were. The concrete walls blocked out all noise of my neighbors and traffic. I made some good friends in the units next to mine and those were honestly 2 of the best years of my life. I miss living like that
Dog a two bedroom apartment down the street from me costs $2,750 a month. I lived there for years. My two bedroom house has a mortgage of $2,170 a month that I get equity in, has more space and a basement, no degenerate crackheads busting my car window at night anymore, and I can actually hang stuff on my walls without losing a security deposit.
Plus I don't have to go pick up my Amazon packages at the front desk between the hours of 9am to 5pm weekdays, that shit just gets delivered to me. And I don't have to fight with property managers to fix my God damn washing machine for three months because they refuse to order a new motor for it. I even get to park in my driveway ten feet from my front door now and not park three lots away because there's not enough space for everybody who lives at the apartments to park.
All the years I spent renting apartments has been a disgrace compared to what it's like to own a house. Choke on my balls, Bell Partners Incorporated. Large scale shared living situations that are run by faceless corporations and government entities like section 8 housing and apartment complexes feel like incubators that turn normal happy people into suicidal misanthropes. Fuck cars, and fuck apartments
It sounds like most of your grievances are due to renting vs ownership. I've definitely had similar experiences, but most of things aren't issues with decent duplex/townhouse/condos that you own.
The real problem is the huge corporations building apartment complexes with the cheapest materials and no thought of proper urban fabric while dressing them up like something off the magnolia network and renting them as "luxury apartments". You end up paying top dollar for a shitty pile of monochromatic chipboard and petroleum distillates.
Not the previous commenter, but your comment was spot on and reminds me that I have actually rented apartments with "magnolia" in the name that looked nice from 500' away, but were poorly build and poorly managed shitholes.
That's just not realistic in major metro areas anymore. We need to do more to foster a sense of community in buildings because we can't build enough housing any other way.
I've lived in NYC for ~15 years, in apartments, and I almost never hear neighbors. Nor have any of my friends complained about loud neighbors often. Problems with neighbors and noise is not an inherent property of apartments.
I have 36 years in apartments across 11 cities (not new york) and it was an issue in all of them.
Maybe NYC tends to have better built apartments? I've only lived here for any length of time. And I haven't been in fancy exclusively apartments.
You may have bad luck. You may also have lower tolerance. Sometimes I hear my neighbor coming or going, but it's unremarkable. It's not loud or disupritve. But If I absolutely hated any reminder that other people exist, it would be a problem.
I'm not talking about basic shit when I talk about loud people, read my list from another comment. Loud arguments, fighting, shooting, etc. Not to mention the bodily fluids left on and around buildings from tenants and their pets. Idk where this idea that shitty people are non existent comes from, but it is a beautiful fantasy.
I haven't had to deal with much of that. I don't know why your experiences were much worse.
It might a difference in income or cultures where we've lived, though I feel I've had a balance and a mixture of issues. These aren't all at once, usually. There are just people who don't give a fuck about how their behavior affects those around them and I'd like to reduce my chances of encountering them, personally.
Is the alternative that we all rent/buy (?) apartments?
No
duplexes/triplexes/etc. exist. And single-family housing does exist in mixed zoning areas. An SFH next to a duplex next to an apartment building is common in my city. However, in this case, the "back yard" is probably enough for a small garden and a bbq, but not a large lawn...which is fine, because there are parks in walking distance.
Ideally, I'd like to not really have neighbors at all after my lifetime of experiences.
Then city and suburbs aren't really for you, and it sounds like something very rural would suit you, and those around you, better.
Then you agree that zoning should not force people to only live in one kind of home.
I agree that zoning, while necessary, has been used improperly in some cases. Obviously, you don't want a waste site near homes, hospitals, etc. On the other hand, there's no reason you can't have some kind of restaurant, grocery store, apartments, etc. in a neighborhood. In fact, that would be preferential, as it would reduce driving needs.
I continues to astound he what little it takes to become "famous"
Especially on the most lowbrow humour possibility
Yeah this is not real tho
For some reason she gets quoted with opinions that she never even expressed.
People are using her to make their opinions popular. She's, dare I say, a victim in this situation.
I think its more down to how she seized on her moment of fame to build a brand and try to scratch a better living for herself
I suppose when guerilla glue girl can do it so can she
Especially on the most lowbrow humour possibility
thats how you get famous , appeal to lowest common denominator
the democratization of broadcasting is not a bad thing
the consumption of it non-stop can be though
The propagation of lies that has come about through that democratization is pretty bad though.
I'm convinced this is all marketing done by her and her team.
It's only through memes like this so I remember she exists.
Loved her quantum mechanics episode. Mostly went over my head but very interesting.
You gotta gimme dat WALK TUAH metro station and get on that train. Because even if you own a car, increasing your usage of public transit when available is a great way to save money on gas, see your city from a new perspective, and reduce traffic congestion for commuters whose only option is driving.
I still don't know what she is famous for. Should I care about this?
She's famous for vociferously promoting spitting on a man's penis for use as lubricant during oral sex.
Not care, got it. Thank you.
It's good advise. I can see why she earned herself the third most listened to podcast on the internet.
She recently started a podcast called "TALK TUAH" which is a pun of her "catchphrase" "HAWK TUAH" (the sound of spitting). It's been a meme to make up topics she talks about.
~~Source?~~
edit: Anyone have a source of her saying this?
…that low density zoning fits less people per square meter and requires more infrastructure than higher density housing?
No, its a meme format, the whole tuah thing is ridiculous and completely unserious, so you attribute to her serious and heavy topics
Poor health? My air is certainly cleaner than downtown NYC.
Now if major cities banned cars we'd be getting somewhere.