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[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Elitism and wealth, though often linked, are not the same. The term nouveaux riche highlights this difference: it refers to those who have gained wealth but lack the cultural status of the traditional elite. One can be rich without being part of the elite, as elitism is more about attitudes of superiority tied to education or social influence than money alone.

In American politics, Democrats are often branded as elitist due to their perceived condescension towards certain demographics, such as rural communities or southern voters. Critics argue that some Democrats dismiss these regions as culturally or intellectually inferior, suggesting that rural areas offer little value or substance. This perception of elitism stems from more than just economic disparity; it reflects a cultural and ideological divide. The urban-rural schism is not simply about money, but about who holds the power to shape discourse, values, and the future of society. Such perceptions fuel populist resentment, where rural or working-class voters feel alienated or belittled by what they view as a metropolitan, highly educated, and culturally insulated elite.

You can see some of this elitism right here in the comments in fact.

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[–] mohammed_alibi@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Putin is also one of the world's richest man and funds Trump.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Now that you mentioned putin, I propose we go looking for the Mexican cartel people who do the political events such as head and shoulders separations and we give them a challenge. Maybe give them a small island as a reward? 😉 Could you please bring back putin's happy face for a chance to win Mara Lago! Or Mara Island! 🏝️🏖️. With margaritas!

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 195 points 4 days ago (11 children)

To be brief, it’s propaganda designed to keep rural voters red. Ie- "those big city folk don’t care about you."

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 81 points 4 days ago (17 children)

Partly...

But also that the Dem party today is significantly more "conservative" economically than we used to be, as the article points out:

In 1910, Teddy Roosevelt thundered his warning that “a small class of enormously wealthy and economically powerful men, whose chief object is to hold and increase their power” could destroy US democracy. Roosevelt’s answer was to tax wealth. The estate tax was eventually enacted in 1916, and the capital gains tax in 1922.

In the 1912 presidential campaign, Woodrow Wilson promised “a crusade against powers that have governed us … that have limited our development … that have determined our lives … that have set us in a straitjacket to do as they please”. The struggle to break up the giant trusts would be, in Wilson’s words, a “second struggle for emancipation”.

Wilson signed into law the Clayton Antitrust Act, which strengthened antitrust laws and protected unions. He also established the Federal Trade Commission to root out “unfair acts and practices in commerce”, and created the first permanent national income tax.

Years later, Teddy Roosevelt’s fifth-cousin, Franklin D Roosevelt, attacked corporate and financial power by giving workers the right to unionize, the 40-hour workweek, unemployment insurance, and social security. FDR instituted a high marginal income tax on the wealthy – those making more than $5m a year were taxed up to 75% – and he regulated finance.

Plus, Teddy was the first presidential platform that used universal healthcare....

So part of it is that Republicans lie and propaganda

But if the modern Dem party didn't think the Dem party platform from a fucking century ago wasnt "too extreme" the modern Dem party would be as popular as it was with FDR.

Plus, Teddy was the first presidential platform that used universal healthcare…
So part of it is that Republicans lie and propaganda

Ironic considering that Teddy was a Republican.

But also that the Dem party today is significantly more “conservative” economically than we used to be

But that's the contradiction. The GOP is even further along this scale, so how can the GOP be seen as the party of the people while the Dems are elitists?

Partly…

I think mainly.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (15 children)

I think that's more of a symptom than a root cause. republicans' goal since the 70's has been to pull the lower and middle classes to them with wedge identity issues like abortion. the whole "elitism" thing is a part of that too. So now the parties are competing on those wedge issues and identity more than economic progress, as they were in FDR's time.

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[–] SupahRevs@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I also wish the Dems would promote more progressive policies. At the same time, the media does not celebrate the wins for Dems, such as the creation of the CFPB that Elizabeth Warren established. They don't celebrate the response to oligopoly through review of mergers and acquisitions by the FTC under Lina Kahn. They don't celebrate the reduced child poverty rate under the expanded child tax credit. Positive progress doesn't make it to mass media even when it does happen, which isn't often enough.

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[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Because projection, misinformation, disinformation, and political agendas.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

yup. Amoral leadership lying to gullible supporters who want conspiracies, it's really that simple. A base who want simplistic explanations that reinforce their prejudices. Truth doesn't even rate.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 43 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Because the Democrats abandoned working class voters in the 80s and 90s to court the professional-managerial class in a pivot towards the center, and the Republicans were able to win over these disaffected blue-collar voters with resentment politics.

[–] SelfProgrammed@lemmy.world 113 points 4 days ago (11 children)

To Democrats, "elites" mean your in some top percentile of wealth and income. To Republicans, "elites" means having a college degree.

[–] Tyfud@lemmy.world 47 points 4 days ago (3 children)

This is the correct answer to the question the Guardian poses. I've lived among them and can 100% confirm this is how they think.

Elites is all about having a college degree and being "book smart" vs their "street smart" or "wise in the ways of man" sort of bullshit charlatans throughout history have used to make up for a lack of critical thinking skills.

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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 days ago (3 children)

So they basically turned anti elitism to anti intellectualism so they can fool their audience.

I mean, I thought we all knew that.

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[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 73 points 4 days ago (7 children)

This is one of the greatest scams that conservatives get away with IMO, not just in the US but it happens in the UK and other places too. Conservatives get in, go hog wild cutting taxes, selling off public assets and throwing huge contracts to their friends, and then as soon as the other side gets back in they find that they have to now balance the books, the conservatives start complaining and saying they're the fiscally responsible ones.

It's literally happening right now in the UK - we just got rid of the Tories finally after about 15 years, and the new Labour government immediately found a £20 billion hole in the economy which they now have to make harsh cuts to sort out, and they're the ones getting criticized for it by the media.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 20 points 4 days ago

We need a government report card.

At the end of every administration, we need to compare the national debt and all important factors.

It’s one thing people missed in coming up with democratic systems. If different people take turns to steer the ship then you need to define what their goal is so you can evaluate each.

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[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Because it's convenient to have bad faith actors sowing discord before any election.

Tankies (sleeper conservatives that they are) can't rely on logic, merit or hope for a better tomorrow, so they cause as much chaos as possible to their perceived 'enemies'. This chaos includes the encouragement of unrealistic statements and general cognitive dissonance.

My true thoughts are that they went too far and started to believe their own drivel as generations of hexbears rose and fell and shit themselves into .ml

[–] Juice@midwest.social 4 points 3 days ago (7 children)

What does this post or article have to do with "Tankies?" Did you just hop in here to badmouth them without any context? The idea that anyone who opposes Democrats is a conservative is so out of touch. You must live in a world of ghosts, probably ones wearing ushankas and singing the Internationalé. What a strange comment.

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 61 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Because the media continually accepts and perpetuates the right wing framing of everything.

[–] Signtist@lemm.ee 53 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Because the media is owned and operated by rich men who benefit from putting the blame on others and calling it "news."

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 44 points 4 days ago

Because it was always about projection.

[–] 4grams@awful.systems 10 points 3 days ago

projection and propeganda, full stop.

[–] celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Republican voters are illiterate morons who perceive anyone trying to teach them something as "elite". They don't attribute elite status to salary because the vast majority of them earn less than $40K a year and think that Trump is a good ol boy that would love to have a beer with them. They have no concept over how much money Trump has let alone Musk, and the ones that do are convinced that one day they'll also have billions of dollars. What sane people call "elite", Republican voters and MAGAts call "role model" and what Republicans and MAGAts call elite, we call "productive political discourse".

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

This would be a good example of the sort of elitist sentiment I was referencing in my other post.

[–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 50 points 4 days ago

Because rich Republicans also own the media.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 33 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Accuse your enemies of that which you are guilty.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Probably for the same kind of reason that "everyone knows" that the corporate media is a "liberal media".

[–] rsuri@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

"The media is liberal!"
"Who told you that?"
"The media."

[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 31 points 4 days ago

because US politics is center right vs far right

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

They aren't. Republicans lie all the time and some people are stupid enough to believe them.

[–] verdantbanana@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Why haven’t Democrats embraced economic populism? Because for too long they’ve drunk from the same campaign funding trough as the Republicans – big corporations, Wall Street, and the very wealthy.

US two-party sham needs replacing

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Because democrats value egalitarianism and education. Good education is expensive. The businesspersons that have expended the most effort to offshore our jobs to the serious detriment of working-class America have had some of the most expensive and exclusive educations of all, and they are some of the wealthiest people on the planet… (conservatives fullstop here and ignore the rest: …who are also likely voting conservative). Couple that with the fact that expert (educated) advice and direction is often in direct conflict with the myopic goals and views of the uneducated. Don’t dump shit everywhere (but it’s cheap, easy, and fun to roll coal and pour used motor oil on the ground!), don’t cut down all the trees (but mah lumber is more expensive!), and maybe wear a mask (grandma was gonna die eventually anyways, at least I can bring her Covid from the Applebees take out!)

So it’s really easy for the conservatives to paint education = evil, and then of course they couple that with feel-good bullshit like “common sense” and small-town American wisdom that is completely meaningless but makes the uneducated feel smart or like they have control of their situation.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

The unwashed masses dare to think that we are the elites? Clearly a result of their inadequate education...

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago

Projection.

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Because Republican voters never, ever seek evidence or utilize basic critical thinking when their hatred steeped biases are confirmed.

A sufficiently hatemongering, and therefore trusted conservative talking head could say "Kamala Harris is a secret Aids Virus in a skin suit made of harvested fetuses made human size by George Soros' double secret reverse shrink ray!"

And you'd cue thunderous Republican voter applause with shrieks of "I FUCKING KNEW IT!"

[–] lol_idk@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 days ago

Democrats are elite in that they are smart

These billionaires are morons

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