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[–] auzy@lemmy.world 54 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People use steam because it's good service, and a good product.

In fact, they also gave Linux a boost

They also have things like cloud saving

Developers use them because apparently they have some awesome features too for things like multiplayer and such and a great API

[–] lapislazuli@feddit.org 4 points 7 hours ago

I like steam as a user but it's still proprietary software and I'm slightly concerned about what is going to happen when Gabe Newell steps down as president and ceo of Valve.

[–] DiabolicalBird@lemmy.ca 43 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This has literally always been the case with Steam, the only difference is that people are told up front now. Things will likely continue to operate exactly the same as it has until now, I doubt Valve wants to disrupt the giant money train they have.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I would be surprised if it even was possible for them to change so that the games are bought. I suspect that would be quite complicated legally.

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[–] Klear@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Here's another reminder to sign this initiative if you live in the EU.

[–] Scribble902@feddit.uk 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I'd totally sign....if the Russian funded tory party hadn't decided we should leave because they were scared of the far right taking votes.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

Spread the word, then.

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 40 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I like GOG, but this is just weasel-words to take advantage of the ignorance of the public. Whether you receive the installs directly or not, you still don't own your games, you are just licensing them, same as Steam.

This doesn't tip the scales into the "this is wrong" territory for me, but I do think this kind of word manipulation exploiting an unknowledgeable public is a little bit slimy.

edit: I had a bit of knee-jerk reaction to the sensationalism of the headline; what GOG actually says is fine and doesn't imply anything beyond licensing in my eyes.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I think it is fair. When you buy games through GOG, you get the offline installer. Nobody can take that away from you.

When you buy games through Steam, you can only install them via the Steam client. If the Steam servers are offline, you cannot install your games. In theory, some games are without any DRM, and you can just zip them up, but even then that doesn't always work, and you shouldn't have to. That's not to take away from Steam, of course, it is great at what it does.

Providing an offline installer that works no matter what is as good as "owning" the game IMO, even if "technically" you are just purchasing a license to use the game.

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

edit: I went and read what GOG itself actually says. The headline is slimy, GOG's disclosure is fine. I don't think they're implying anything beyond what they offer.

[–] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The headline is slimy

Are you referring to the use of the word "killshot"? Otherwise, the headline says exactly the same thing.

Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'

No implication of outright ownership, just that they can't take away the offline installers. I mean, I guess it doesn't outright say "that you've already downloaded," but given the length, I'd say that's a passable omission.

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

We don't have to do this. It's the juxtaposition of GOG's claim paired being intentionally paired with the steam disclaimer so as to present it as if an alternative.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I just like calling it "the kill shot", as though GOG is about to take all of Steam's market share some time next week.

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[–] Vintor@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don't think "weasel words" is the right term here.

You own the GOG games like you own a book you bought, and like you don't own a DRM-crippled book, even though you might be entitled to read it under certain circumstances. The difference between downloading an installer and downloading a game on Steam is, the installer will continue to work even if GOG folds or decides they don't like you anymore. But if Steam blocks your account, all the games you bought are gone, and Steam is fully in the right to do so since you don't own their games.

[–] cadekat@pawb.social 15 points 1 day ago (5 children)

That's not true. You still only receive a license to play the game, you do not own it. Directly from GOG's website:

We give you and other GOG users the personal right (known legally as a 'license') to use GOG services and to download, access and/or stream (depending on the content) and use GOG content. This license is for your personal use. We can stop or suspend this license in some situations, which are explained later on.

Practically this means you cannot resell your GOG installer in the way you could resell a physical book.

[–] Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's fair I guess. But you can keep a backup of your GoG games in case the server goes down. With Steam that isn't possible.

[–] cadekat@pawb.social 5 points 1 day ago

Absolutely. GOG has a much better license and distribution model, but it's still a license.

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[–] KomfortablesKissen@discuss.tchncs.de 43 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The amount of people thinking they are getting ripped off by steam now is astounding.

They are the reason this step is incredibly necessary.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

I mean I've always had an issue that digital goods could always be revoked/taken back. That's why I didn't buy things on steam until it became basically the only way (as consoles have less physical media). This is just a great reminder for the public that we're consistently loosing control over our digital lives.

I've been an advocate for forcing companies to change the wording for digital goofs to "lease" rather than "buy". Cause at the end of the day, no one owns their steam library.

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[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 53 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Now if we could just have GOG Galaxy for Linux. It would make my life so much easier.

[–] davad@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Heroic Game Launcher is pretty cool. It does game save sync with GOG games too.

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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lutris lets you add your GOG account and download/install games directly. its not Galaxy, but its pretty flawless.

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[–] cybermass@lemmy.ca 223 points 2 days ago (72 children)

I love how this article takes shots at steam despite valve being THE company holding the bar up in the gaming space.

I could list examples but I honestly don't even think I need to

[–] tuckerm@supermeter.social 187 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Absolutely. I mean, I love the fact that GOG has DRM-free games. It's really incredible how many games are available without DRM because of them.

But I'm not going to make Valve out to be the bad guy here. Valve is like 99% of the reason why gaming on Linux is viable right now.

Valve seems like a great example of how, if you don't sell your company to venture capitalists, you can just be cool nerds that make good products. As much as I want DRM-free to be the norm, I'm also not going to vilify a company that is one of the best examples of not enshittifying right now.

[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 100 points 2 days ago (8 children)

A lot of Steam games are also DRM free. It's up to the individual developers whether they enforce DRM checks or not.

I've copied files from Steam folders directly to a flash drive, plugged them into an offline, Steam-less computer that I don't have rights to install anything on, and ran them perfectly. But it is a game-by-game thing.

[–] Anivia@feddit.org 3 points 15 hours ago

Yeah, the only caveat is that you don't get an installer with steam, so if you copy the installed game onto a pc that doesn't have all the correct dependencies installed (like the correct DirectX version for example), then the game won't launch. But it's not too complicated to install the dependencies manually

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